Supposedly there has been speeches made, heart to heart talks and player only meetings and players speaking to the team.

Bourjos/Grichek, Wong and OT need to play every game from here on out.

He's a headcase with shoulder injuries. He's not servicable anything.

This. Garcia is what he is. He'll be a .500 pitcher with a 4.00 ERA. He'll throw some gems, and get lit up. You can't have 5 aces on a staff, and could do a lot worse for a 5th starter. Interesting to see what they would do if Kelly could get healthy.

**** me thats embarrassing. At home no less.

It's time for someone to go.
They won't do it, but I'd package Adams (preferably Craig, but no one wants that contract for him) Miller, Jay and whoever else I had to to go get another pitcher. Preferably a starter.

That was a fun series to watch. See you guys at the K.

Garcia has had health issues, he isn't a head case. You are getting him and Lynn confused.

Garcia's shoulder is also a ticking time bomb.

No, they're both headcases.

Lynn is much better this year about his "head caseness's".

Too early to say yet. He always starts out strong. We'll see what the next couple months bring.

Long season....tired of some of these turds already

Garcia is a ****ing devout coward. Anyone who has seen him pitch in the playoffs should know this.

How bad of a season before this coaching staff is on the hot seat? That 5th inning with Garcia was absolutely atrocious.

They could lose 70 games and Matheny will be back.

I hope no one on the Cardinals think he is a regular starter? We can count on him? At this point in their careers Garcia, Jay, Robinson, Delscaso, Lynn are all WYSIWYG.

If the motivational speeches have been made, the players have had their meeting and they still look and play like shit, it's time for Mo to step in and shake things up.

Well whatever it takes I guess. I just cannot take anymore of this inept management.

It's almost a foregone conclusion they will lose 70 games. 92-70? I'd be shocked.

Sorry typo. Meant they could lose 90 games.

Sorry Big Red.

We can't hit at all. I would do some package for someone like Stanton.

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Miller has almost no trade value right now, and Adams isn't going to bring much either.

Honestly, the Cardinals have very little in the way of valuable trade pieces aside from Wacha (who should be untouchable) and Taveras. Piscotty and Ramsey might fetch something, but the shine is coming off the farm system now.

Err..the Cardinals did open up the wallet for Peralta, found a sucker for Freese, and Taveras in center has always been tenuous.

I think Miller's value is probably higher than you might think... If I were looking to acquire him, I'd be pretty excited about the prospect of acquiring a guy who put up a K an inning with solid control as a 22-year-old and who has plus stuff.

Looking at PitchFx, it looks like his velocity is not an issue, but his curve is getting hit much harder (fewer swings and misses). That's a location/command issue, most likely.

His value isn't as high as it might have been in the offseason, but he'd still have good value for a lot of teams.

Adams, I'm less sure about that... would probably need to find an AL team to trade with, in all likelihood. I don't think value will ever be as high as it was last offseason (would have been a good time to trade him, honestly).

I'd make Grichuk available, I'm not sure he but that he's not a AAAA player anyway with that swing.

But you didn't add the major bat in Stanton to all of that either. Adams and lot of those guys were ripe to trade last November.

Miller's issue isn't his stuff or anything physical. It's between his ears. For a few starts this year, he became a one-pitch guy and wouldn't get away from his fastball to the point that he had to get his ass chewed by Yadi, Matheny and Lilliquiest in one single start because he kept shaking off Yadi (a terrible idea).

Yeah. That's not going to degrade his value as much as a degradation of his stuff would.

Most teams would look at the physical ability and the results last year and think they can still get good production out of him.

Similar to Colby Rasmus... I know Cards fans are probably pretty happy with that trade, since the return helped you win the title. But that was a case of a guy having greater value than most Cardinals fans (And maybe even people within the organization) realized.

We were all aware of Rasmus' value, which is why people hated that trade to a man when it occurred. What was especially damaging in that case is that LaRussa went out of his way to destry Rasmus' trade value.

Dickhead, immature or not, that was a franchise-torpedoing move. We were just lucky enough to fall into Dotel, who was the real gem of that trade. Rzepczynski was helpful against Howard's corpse in the LDS, and Jackson ate some innings, but I don't know if he ever made it out of the fifth in any playoff start.

I had forgotten this board's reaction to the trade, but it doesn't surprise me to be reminded it was negative. You guys are a smart and non-homertastic bunch.

On other message boards I frequent, Cards fans LOVED the deal then and still love it now. That was bleeding into my post...

Hopefully, if the Cardinals DO trade Miller, they're smart enough to not let team personnel continually bash him in the media, destroying his trade value.

I've always been more critical of Adams because of his platoon splits, but he has mashed the ball at every level. A lefty first baseman that plays Gold Glove caliber D and hit almost 20 homers in half a season of ABs isn't a commodity you want to part with easily. Even this year he was on a 4.2 WAR pace with almost no power production

Besides, Stanton was never the logical target because of Taveras. The target was Tulowitzki, as he shored up the position of biggest weakness while also giving you a middle of the order bat.

Peralta is also playing at a 4 WAR pace; it just so happens that Tulowitzki is having a career year and a season for the ages to this point.

That said, I would discount the Cardinal hitters' offensive metrics to this point for the reason that they are wholly absent of power, and regardless of how many runs a bunch of slap singles may create in a vacuum, you cannot build a productive offense on top of them, because it requires far too many things to happen consecutively.

That trade, even though Cards fans hated it, saved the locker room. Players & coaches were sick of Colby and his nuclklehead dad. The move that I believe actually helped on the field most was picking up Furcal for a AAAA player. Cards have yet to replace him, although I haven't given up on Peralta. Yet.

This team should just forfeit every game against a LHP just to save wear and tear on the pitching staff.

Runner on second and they can't hit the ball out of the ****ing infield. Shit, they can't even hit a groundball hard.

Miller has good value. Just because he is in a rough patch now doesn't mean GM's see him as having no value. Adams not having any power this year, I'll agree that his trade value is down.
All the national and local STL writers disagree with your assessment.

I was against the trade at the time because his value was at the absolute lowest it ever would be because Larussa trashing him publicly and the locker room issues became public.

We got a journeyman SP and a bunch of middle inning relief guys for a 5 tool player?

You can't fault the trade. Without the trade we definitely don't make the playoffs or win a WS.

But, I'd trade Taveras/Miller/Adams/Craig/Piscotty or any combination if we get another WS trophy out of the trade.

GM's look at the numbers. For the last 25 or so starts, Shelby Miller has been worse than a replacement level player.

Thank ****ing God.

I don't think God is interested in the outcome of a ball game.:Poke:

If you observe the world, any God that may exist is a complete one who sucks the penis, so I am not going to speak to his/her/its intentions.

You guys see the article about Nick Petree?

Cards' pitching prospect has the form of Maddux, the ERA of Gibson

http://www.chatsports.com/st-louis-c...pect-0-9917996

Anyway, one of the players that I coached little league baseball for years sister has been dating this guy for 3 years. He's pitching down here. Think I might go see him. I'm sure I know the guy. I remember the sister and her boyfriend, but it may be the previous boyfriend.

Holliday is crushing the ball today.

All those muscles are for hitting ground balls.

How dumb is Ricky Horton? "Escobar has a 90 plus percent chance of stealing this base" Does the dipshit know who is behind the plate?

Craig ****ing sucks right now.

2 or 3 humpy breaking balls and straight fastballs and he fouls them off.

When Adams comes back, sit Craig for a while

Welp, that's it boys. See you next year. This team blows ass

I remember you saying Rosenthal was better than Holland but I might be misremembering

Yep :(

You're a dipshit, so likely.

Siegrist should get he 9th when he comes back

Should have kept Mujica and Axford

Good job turd

Don't think I can look at that ugly mother****er agsin

Axford and Mujica have been even worse than the two rat ****ers at the end of our pen.

TrollIO city

Except for the that bases loaded hit in extra innings and two deep fly balls he got under a little.

That was a tremendous at bat by Jay in the 11th.

Nesheks motion must be hitter krytonite.

You didn't say that?

**** him. Bourjas or Grichek needs to be playing.

Our time

Even a blind squirrel

He's missing a ton of pitches he shouldn't

Grichuk needs to be in Memphis.

YOUR TIME

Wait, there's a Cardinals thread? :)


Hi guys

And Jay needs to be in Minnesota.;)

When's siegrist coming back?

Grichuk looks as bad as any Cardinal hitter I've ever seen. I don't care if he hits .900 in Memphis, he does not belong in St. Louis right now.

Pisses me off that we blew Waino's outing. He needs the win to help him beat out that chicken shit Cuevto.

He needs to go down. Come back up in sept. Battle for the spot next year.

Headed to the K right now.

The Cards are 10-0 in games where BDj23 is in the stands. Bet the house tonight fellas, we got this.

I'm putting a hit out on you to make sure you don't make it into the K.

GO Royals!

Haven't you extracted enough Cardinal blood in those first two games? How many pounds of flesh do you need?:rolleyes:

Oh common', I'm a nice guy. My buddy I'm going with is a die hard Royals fan.

Oh yea, my 29 years of never seeing a Royals playoff game allow me to wish death upon every other major league team.

That friend of yours deserves to get completely wasted on your tab. He's obviously had a rough go of life.

I've been to 4 Chiefs playoff games. One in Indy. Seeing a playoff game sucks.

Now seeing your team win a World Series in person, with your son. Thats the ticket.

Gammons says Flahtery wants $2 million to sign or he will go to college.

This frickin offense.

A bit behind. Game on the line....Jay and Borejos. We ****ed.

Holland is pretty damn good.

I am more worried about our offense not hitting and our pitching staff not being able to avoid the big inning at least once a game.