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BigRedChief 09-29-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by veist (Post 7953486)
I'm still kind of in shock that TLR didn't manage to overmanage them out of the playoffs as hard as he tried. Kinda funny that we had the record for historic collapses broken twice on the same night.

lost one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball for the year before the season started. Lost Freese, Craig, Holliday for large parts of the season. Bullpen implosions all year. Despite that we won 90 games. You have to give the overmanaging TLR some credit. The results speak for themselves.

BigRedChief 09-30-2011 08:18 PM

Guys, I know its a longshot but I think if we can keep it close until we reach Phillys bullpen we may have a shot.

Or we will get embrassed.:)

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-30-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7953747)
lost one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball for the year before the season started. Lost Freese, Craig, Holliday for large parts of the season. Bullpen implosions all year. Despite that we won 90 games. You have to give the overmanaging TLR some credit. The results speak for themselves.

I just can't agree with this. LaRussa was horrible this season. Horrible. The team definitely caught fire late, but we were also incredibly lucky. We needed a historic collapse and a red hot month to win the WC.

The bullpen was horribly mismanaged all year. Broke dick nothings like Franklin and Batista cost us a ton of games. Theriot played at a replacement level for 100 games before losing his job, while the guy we traded away because of TLR's intractability was a 2.5 WAR player.

If Atlanta had gone 2-3 in their last five games, are you really that up on Tony's job this year? In a game we absolutely had to have, he pulled his second best hitter from a tie game, and sure enough, whose spot leads off the 10th?

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7955856)
Guys, I know its a longshot but I think if we can keep it close until we reach Phillys bullpen we may have a shot.

Or we will get embrassed.:)

Provided that our SP can go long enough to where we don't have to get into our bullpen, which is still an atrocity.

BigRedChief 09-30-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7955970)
I just can't agree with this. LaRussa was horrible this season. Horrible. The team definitely caught fire late, but we were also incredibly lucky. We needed a historic collapse and a red hot month to win the WC.

The bullpen was horribly mismanaged all year. Broke dick nothings like Franklin and Batista cost us a ton of games. Theriot played at a replacement level for 100 games before losing his job, while the guy we traded away because of TLR's intractability was a 2.5 WAR player.

If Atlanta had gone 2-3 in their last five games, are you really that up on Tony's job this year? In a game we absolutely had to have, he pulled his second best hitter from a tie game, and sure enough, whose spot leads off the 10th?



Provided that our SP can go long enough to where we don't have to get into our bullpen, which is still an atrocity.

We are in agreement with TLR's over management, sticking with Franklin too long, Theriot etc....

But, you don't win 90 games because of luck.

BigRedChief 09-30-2011 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7955970)
Provided that our SP can go long enough to where we don't have to get into our bullpen, which is still an atrocity.

I think Salas, Sanchez, Motte and McClellan are not a disaster waiting to happen.

Jewish Rabbi 09-30-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7956076)
I think Salas, Sanchez, Motte and McClellan are not a disaster waiting to happen.

Well McClellan isn't even on the roster, and you're basing your evaluation of Sanchez based on (almost) two innings.

BigRedChief 09-30-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 7956100)
Well McClellan isn't even on the roster, and you're basing your evaluation of Sanchez based on (almost) two innings.

I didn't list my reasons. How do you know what I'm basing my opinion on?
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Jewish Rabbi 10-01-2011 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7956103)
I didn't list my reasons. How do you know what I'm basing my opinion on?
http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-Missed_it.jpg

Well you obviously aren't basing it on him getting torched before he went on the DL.

Why do you think McClellan will do so well? Oh wait...

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-01-2011 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7956072)
We are in agreement with TLR's over management, sticking with Franklin too long, Theriot etc....

But, you don't win 90 games because of luck.

You win them because of Albert Pujols, Yadi, Berkman (a good signing by Mo...wow), and Holliday.

Rams Fan 10-01-2011 07:49 AM

Rhodes is on the playoff roster over Eduardo. I can understand why, but I'd rather have Eduardo over Rhodes any day of the week.

whoman69 10-01-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7952380)
Hey twat, when do the Dodgers play next? Oh yeah, that's right. 2012.

Its ok, maybe the owner can float himself another loan.

KChiefs1 10-01-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7955856)
Guys, I know its a longshot but I think if we can keep it close until we reach Phillys bullpen we may have a shot.

Or we will get embrassed.:)

Cards have nothing to lose. EVERYONE expects the Phillies to sweep them. No pressure on the Cards...it's all on the Phillies.

veist 10-01-2011 03:02 PM

Yeah, gotta like playing with house money. With leaving McClellan off you just have to figure he's just worn the **** out. He hasn't pitched 100+ innings since A ball and pitched basically the same number of innings this year as he did the last two years combined.

Matt Moore for HOF 10-01-2011 03:14 PM

Berkman takes a big steaming shit on Halladay ROFL

VAChief 10-01-2011 03:16 PM

Lance crushed that one! Hopefully the September Loshe shows up tonight.


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