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KC_Connection 12-15-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 7258942)
The Royals will get a motherlode when they trade Greinke. I'd actually rather it be somewhere other than Toronto.

That makes two of us.

eazyb81 12-15-2010 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7259742)
The point is that I was accused of being a homer for giving you the objective perspective of the rest of the league on Greinke. If somebody is going to value him as a 9 WAR pitcher, it will be an overpay and a mistake.

I don't think anybody will value him as a 9 WAR pitcher, but they will value him as a 6.5 WAR pitcher, which is his average the past three seasons.

That ranks him 4th in baseball among pitchers. I don't think it would be a mistake for a team that is in their window of competition to trade the future for two years of an ace-level pitcher. Greinke is the type of starter that can put a team over the top.

SAUTO 12-15-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7259742)
The point is that I was accused of being a homer for giving you the objective perspective of the rest of the league on Greinke. If somebody is going to value him as a 9 WAR pitcher, it will be an overpay and a mistake.

the point is that your opinion and the opinion of one other person might not be indicative of the rest of the league's opinion.

alnorth 12-15-2010 08:59 AM

A trade is unlikely today, Dayton Moore is literally sick with the flu. He was apparently in bed all day yesterday.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/14...inke-look.html

Bambi 12-15-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 7257941)
Would the Yankees consider:

Montero
Gardner
Brackman

Too much? Not enough?

Too much. Greinke has like over an 8 era in Yankee Stadium.

He really isn't attractive to the Yankees.

DeezNutz 12-15-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7260527)
Too much. Greinke has like over an 8 era in Yankee Stadium.

He really isn't attractive to the Yankees.

That's not misleading at all.

In the past three years he's pitched 11 2/3 innings in Yankee Stadium.

6 2/3 and 0 ERs
5 and 4 ERs.

One great start. One meh.

Bambi 12-15-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7260548)
That's not misleading at all.

In the past three years he's pitched 11 2/3 innings in Yankee Stadium.

6 2/3 and 0 ERs
5 and 4 ERs.

One great start. One meh.

I'm not saying he couldn't be a success there.

But with his history the Yankees are simply not going to part with that much.

If they do it would be a huge win for DM.

alnorth 12-15-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7260597)
I'm not saying he couldn't be a success there.

But with his history the Yankees are simply not going to part with that much.

If they do it would be a huge win for DM.

His stats in Yankee stadium are beyond useless. It doesn't even rise to the level of "well the stats say this, but we could be wrong", its so thin that its laughable to even attempt to use it as an argument. Sort of like benching Cassel for Croyle if he would have had a bad 1st quarter in the 1st game. "15 minutes in one game, 0/4 passing 1 INT and you are ready to change QB's, what?" Its that level of silly.

The Yankees are not highly enthusiastic about Greinke because of his social anxiety and clinical depression and how that might play out in a full season in New York City. No one cares about 11+ innings.

Saul Good 12-15-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7260800)
His stats in Yankee stadium are beyond useless. It doesn't even rise to the level of "well the stats say this, but we could be wrong", its so thin that its laughable to even attempt to use it as an argument. Sort of like benching Cassel for Croyle if he would have had a bad 1st quarter in the 1st game. "15 minutes in one game, 0/4 passing 1 INT and you are ready to change QB's, what?" Its that level of silly.

Like firing Turner Gill after the NDSU game?

alnorth 12-15-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7261510)
Like firing Turner Gill after the NDSU game?

Well, thats not really a good example for me. Going to that old stupid tired gimmick of "We're a team, so no names on your uniforms!" should be an immediate firable offense. I don't care that the Yankees do it, its stupid. The man you are looking at is not going to sign his check at the bank "#87".

I'm not serious and yeah thats silly, but thats a gigantic pet peeve of mine. This probably accounts for at least 5% of the sum total of my Yankee-hatred, and it was infuriating to see my favorite college team go down that same stupid cliche'd road for football.

alnorth 12-15-2010 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsSavior (Post 7261587)
Atlanta Falcons Top List of NFL Teams With The Brightest Future

The Chiefs check in at No. 4: sportssavior.com/?p=70

die in a fire

Sassy Squatch 12-15-2010 07:33 PM

Have there been any new rumors about Zach Greinke in KC? I am in NY so dont hear much about it.

Saul Good 12-15-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 7261613)
Have there been any new rumors about Zach Greinke in KC? I am in NY so dont hear much about it.

I think he was traded to the Falcons.

Bambi 12-15-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 7261613)
Have there been any new rumors about Zach Greinke in KC? I am in NY so dont hear much about it.

lol.

To sum it up.

Many teams would like another solid starting pitcher to add to their rotations.

Dayton Moore is asking a boatload for Greinke which he's not going to get from the big teams. Unfortunately he has only won like 1 game or something in his career in AL East parks.

The good thing is that the Royals aren't in a position where they HAVE to trade him. He can still be a productive player while we sign guys like Jeff Franceour and Melky Cabrera..

:banghead:

DeezNutz 12-15-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 7261646)
lol.

To sum it up.

Many teams would like another solid starting pitcher to add to their rotations.

Dayton Moore is asking a boatload for Greinke which he's not going to get from the big teams. Unfortunately he has only won like 1 game or something in his career in AL East parks.

The good thing is that the Royals aren't in a position where they HAVE to trade him. He can still be a productive player while we sign guys like Jeff Franceour and Melky Cabrera..

:banghead:

Have you checked out the Cardinals thread? It's far more entertaining.


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