Cool. You just made Psicosis wince five times. Keep doing it, and see if you can start a fight.

I know how much you hate the Donks, but I think the cellar is reserved for the Raiders this year, as it should be.
I'm good with the Donks finishing 3rd.

We'll have to wait and see on that. I'm confident the Broncos will have a very good year and make the playoffs. The only team in the AFCW that is a serious contendar to win the division is the chargers, and I'm confident the Broncos can compete with them.

Considering their F-minus draft/offseason moves, I don't think there's enough thin air or cooking spray in Colorado to save them from the cellar. Everybody else improved.

Are you already back in Chicago, frazod?

Doh! :doh!:

Yep. Got in this afternoon. Christ, I'm beat. That's a seriously long drive.

Sorry we weren't able to hook up. Hopefully at the banquet.

Yeah, I thought about that but decided to keep referring to him in the masculine gender until he says how he wants to be addressed. Notice I called him a good "kid" and not a good "guy"?

That really sucks that you didn't get to meet Kevin. Did you meet anybody from here? Was it an eventful trip? Maybe worth starting a thread about it? You and Bob_Dole have a gift of making a routine deal sound exciting.

That made me do research.


Klinefelter's syndrome is found in approximately 1 of 700 men. Men usually have but one X and one Y chromosome, i.e. the chromosomeconstitution 46,XY. Men with Klinefelter's syndrome have more than one X chromosome, usually two X chromosomes, i.e. the chromosome constitution 47,XXY.

At birth the testicles of Klinefelter boys are of normal size. When the testicles grow quickly in boys with normal chromosomes at the age of 11-12 years, the testicles of Klinefelter boys stay very small, as a rule only 2 cms. from pole to pole. Usually only few sperms are developed in the testicles, and men with Klinefelter's syndrome are as a rule infertile. Boys with Klinefelter's syndrome should be treated with testosterone, usually from the 11 or 12 years of age, best with Restandol tablets (Testosteroneundecanoat), which does not affect the liver, or with injections of other testosterone preparations.

Klinefelter boys more often than other boys have delayed motor function, speech, and maturation development, which does not make them patients demanding special treatment. It is important that these boys at an early age go to a good day-care institution, and that there is a close cooperation between parents and day-care institution staff. If the speech development is delayed, it is important to get help from a speech-therapist for a period. Regarding the motor function development, the participation of parent/child in sports activities and group activities of any kind is of great value. The same is the case with regard to stimulating the delayed development in maturation. In this connection it must be mentioned, that it is also important to stimulate these boys to independence, and not in any way to overprotect them.

Regarding the missing muscle development in puberty and late puberty, with increased tiredness and need for sleep, this can to a great extent be counteracted, and usually quite eliminated, by relevant testosterone treatment from the age of 11- 12 years. For better muscle development and motor function it is of great importance to take part in different sports activities through childhood.

If Klinefelter boys grow up in a good, stable, and stimulating environment, the intelligence will be inside the normal area, though a little displaced, so that there are fewer than expected with an IQ over 110, but no increased frequency of boys with an IQ below 90. In a group of adult danish men with Klinefelter's syndrome an average IQ of 108 was found in comparison with 115 in a control group. use the online version. However, all persons with Klinefelter's Syndrome, or their parents, can order the printed version free of charge from the Turner Center.


Now we just have to wait for Psi to "size things up" for us to prove or disprove your theory.

We'd met in Chicago once before, so it wasn't as crushing as it would've been otherwise. I hope he got to throw a rock at Invesco on his way through.

Well, yeah. It's not really a theory. I've actually been doing a lot of genetic research because our son just got tested for some genetic abnormalities. Regardless, it might be worth Psi's time (if he has decent insurance) to get a genetic screening. If it's now Klinevelters (and it probably isn't) it could be something else.

I was homeschooled from 6th grade through high school, aside from the aforementioned three months I spent going to a private school in the tenth grade. I was going to be on the basketball team there (it was a small school), but I decided to quit before the season started due to reasons both related and unrelated to this. Really, though, the people there were pretty cool, and the only time I've ever had a really rough time was the sixth grade, and at times in the first grade.

I don't know if I was ever suspected, but I hated going to school because I was always scared it would be revealed. I tried my best to just sort of sleepwalk through it as best I could.

It's weird, though. People who remember me from school (usually the halcyon days of 2nd-5th grades, and I mostly hear about this in third party form, as my "network" of friends is basically just my best friend -- why he still hangs out with me is beyond me, but he really is like my brother, and he's my only connection to the world, really; I never do anything other than go to sporting events -- a few hours where I can be a part of the crowd and forget I'm a "freak" -- unless I'm going somewhere with him, and it's very rare even then, since I'll often turn him down if he asks if I want to go to the movies with a few friends or something) tend to have nice things to say about me, though I don't know what they could have really liked about the boy I portrayed back then, since all I can remember is a friendly but scared, humorless shell who got good grades (I remember being heartbroken when I finished second in the fifth grade class in grades).

Almost certainly.

Dunno. If it were as easy as snapping my fingers, definitely. But it's a long, tough process, and I'm not sure I have the self-confidence to do it. I've let myself get fat over the past few years in some sort of self-destructive "I don't care anymore" thing, but even if I can fix that (and hey, fat chicks are people, too), I've got all sorts of insecurities on top of that. I think it'll boil down to self-confidence and the kind of support and help I get when I set things in motion. Another big fear is that I won't be able to find a good therapist who can actually help me.

As for other stuff, I don't have a job (I'm only barely a college student, via online classes, because I have an irrational fear of what it'll be like to actually be on campus; that's the SAD speaking, I'm sure). I live with my mom, and when I describe myself as a "grade-A loser/slacker type person," I'm not joking.

By the way, I never posted at the Star board. I discovered the Planet a couple of months before I registered.

Didn't meet any BB members. And other than getting stuck in road construction in that pit of hell otherwise known as Denver :grr: the trip was fine. I spent a week visiting my cousin in Grand Junction. Had a great time. Visited lots of amazing places in the area, including the Colorado National Monument (series of canyons in the mountains overlooking the Grand Valley), Ouray and Arches National Park in Utah. Every place we went was beautiful. I actually saw a bear in the wild while we were at the hot springs at Ouray - apparently that's pretty rare. My cousin has lived in Colorado for over 20 years and that's the first time he ever saw one. I shot about 8 rolls of film - I'll post some of the photos when I get them developed (no pictures of the bear, unfortunately - we were in the water when we saw it).

I wonder how parents or the family physician would get tipped off to look for this syndrome since normal testosterone production doesn't increase in "normal" boys until about that age. Boys that age probably don't realize something is wrong for at least a year or so I would think. It looks like it would be really tough to get to begin treating it at age 10 or 11. Probably more likely nobody but the kid would know until about 15. When did you first realize something was wrong, Psi?