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That's MY point.

The way some people make it out, is that passing on Jake Long would be a mistake of biblical proportion, all based on him having one penalty and giving up two sacks in his career.

Never mind how the skills he may or may not have translate to the NFL level.

Long might yet fall to the 5th spot. And I have already stated I currently consider Clady somewhat of a reach at 5. So what's your beef?

Really?

WAY better shape?

On the DL, we have one superstar and one guy who's shown he MIGHT be that guy. (Hali)

On the OL, we have one superstar, and one guy who's shown to be serviceable, but not much more. (MacIntosh)

Seeing as how backup OL never play unless the starter is injured, and how backup DL play quite a bit, I'd say both the offensive and defensive lines are in shambles.

I guess you think that we're set at DE because we have Allen and Hali?

Can they play EVERY DOWN of EVERY GAME?

Because right now, they are the only two DE's we have on the roster.

That you call my scenario "unrealistic" yet live in the fantasy world where Jake Long falls to us at the 5 slot.

I want to know where this great defense is that people don't act like we need players for...

The majority if this team needs to be upgraded...we aren't the old Ravens with a great defense and no offense. We have a awful offense and a bad defense with aging players...we need a ton of new guys on both sides.

And guess what it just so happens the best players in this years draft are defensive players, so um you get those guys now because they are better. If the better guys were offensive players then you could slant it that way but they aren't.

This team is bad, it needs great players in general. We are in no way shape or form in position to pick and choose positions, we need help at basically every position.

Then you haven't read all of the posts here. And do you deny that there are those on this bb who are already having buyers' remorse about Hali, Pollard and Croyle?
I have never disagreed with this, but again some people are cocksure these players do not represent talent on our roster.

They have no evidence to base this prediction on. I bet if Croyle was Green Bay's pick the same folks would call the Chiefs FO inept for not having drafted him when he was available in the 3rd round. Our grass is always brown in their eyes.

No, greatest need? Jesus! for example if you have an all-world WR on the draft board and instead you take the above average player at the greatest position of need well that's just plain stupid. If we do that every round you know what we get? The Vermeil Era, but it would be whiffs on offense instead of the defense

I have a problem with Pollard for the same reason I had a problem with Woods and Tongue, he was taken ahead of a player who plays the same position as him that he isn't as good as.

But you are using the same reasoning to condemn Jake Long. You are going out of your way to belittle his college stats. I'm taking the cup-half-full side of the JL argument. That's all.

You do realize that college stats aren't that important when translating a player to the league right? Bryant McKinnie didn't give up a sack his entire college career.....he isn't the best LT in the game.

It's about having the natural physical talent to play the position and there is question of Long has it. All of Jake Longs flaws are physical, they aren't technical flaws. If his few flaws could be fixed with some coaching of technique I'd feel alot more comfortable with him but fact is his flaws are physical flaws that he will always have.

I've reaad every post here, and not one person has made this assertion.

And yes, I know there are people on this forum having buyers remorse, but those are generally the people who never expected anything anyway.

You're probably right.

But I bet there are people in GB forums bitching about Aaron Rogers right now.

There are always those people.

I repeat: I'M NOT SAYING THAT. But I'm saying in that scenario, it's more of an astute move to try for a good trade down; get the player for that position of dire need and get a few more draft picks. God knows our team is in need of more draft picks.

Jake Long's physical flaws are so great that he'll be off the board before we pick, and any discussion about him as our selection will have been rendered moot.

In fairness to Rodgers he's looked good in his limited playing time.

Cool.