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Marcellus 09-21-2010 04:24 PM

How does anybody believe Cassel isn't getting shit thrown his way? I thought Haley was going to literally kill him a few times last year.

Just because it isn't played out in the media doesn't mean he is getting a free pass from the coaches.

O.city 09-21-2010 04:24 PM

Ya i think we will see more dex receiver packages in the future.

DeezNutz 09-21-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7025800)
I don't think they're protecting him, I was just saying injuries are the most feasible conspiracy theory in my mind. Speaking just for me, I don't think they're intentionally limiting his carries at all, as in going into a game thinking "we're going to run Jones more than Charles". I think it's a matter of game situations the first two weeks that ended up favoring Jones' skillset. I don't think it will be like that every week this season.

But I'm not in the locker room, so I'm just guessing as much as you are...

I hope you're right, keg. This would seem to be the most sensible explanation and would make me more confident in thinking that our staff isn't ****ing stupid.

booger 09-21-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7025844)
I think the local media should be talking about McCluster on offense.

I think that, so far, McCluster has about 2 rushes for about 2 total yards. And 2 receptions for a total of probably 20 yards.

I'm not seeing the explosive, game-changing, impact of this guy on offense ... or am I missing something? Is he a decoy, maybe?

FAX

I think it started to become predictable in the PS games a couple times where DMC got drilled on the obvious quick routes to both he and charles. This offense is based around charles, Jones, and DMC. But the CB's will be able to squat or sit and wait on those routes because they know Cassel can't beat them deep. Moeaki has helped in that area but not getting the ball to Chambers and Bowe and streching the field only leaves the defense focusing on the dump offs. And yes they do want to get DMC more involved in running the ball to they just havn't been able to get Charles his carries, enough anyway so Dexter has to wait in line.

THey can't get first downs enough to sustain drives either. Weis can take some blame with play calling but he doesn't have many options on how to call plays with Cassel and his short leash needed to keep his lack of skills under wraps.

It's a problem because the guys on offense think they could be putting up more yards and points if the qb play was better. It's something they realized but now with the 2 wins i think they are like some fans and want to know when is enough with cassel. In other words when will Pioli be willing to acknowlege to hunt that he isn't cut out to be the starter and let Haley and Weis plan accordingly with Croyle and whoever else they try to bring in.

The Franchise 09-21-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7025844)
I think the local media should be talking about McCluster on offense.

I think that, so far, McCluster has about 2 rushes for about 2 total yards. And 2 receptions for a total of probably 20 yards.

I'm not seeing the explosive, game-changing, impact of this guy on offense ... or am I missing something? Is he a decoy, maybe?

FAX

They need to be able to get McCluster the ball in space......and you can't do that when you're not making the defense respect your passing game.

Hammock Parties 09-21-2010 04:31 PM

McCluster is Kris Wilson so far.

I see him split out wide plenty. He never gets the ball, though.

Remember Wilson's first year? He was out on the field but basically invisible.

keg in kc 09-21-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7025860)
I hope you're right, keg. This would seem to be the most sensible explanation and would make me more confident in thinking that our staff isn't ****ing stupid.

I hope I'm right too. Things haven't been what I expected with Weis so far. I think even the folks who had the most apocalypic expectations for Cassel would admit that the production of the offense as a whole so far is an insane disappointment. I can't for the life of me think of any reason while the QBs play would get worse now. Maybe whatever Weis is doing is resulting in even more pressure behind the scenes on Cassel, giving him even more to think about during a play, something else. Hell if I know.

Just been wacky so far.

FAX 09-21-2010 04:31 PM

Assuming Mark Castle continues to put up those freakish efficiency ratings and we start losing games, something will snap, Mr. booger.

Probably Weis' stomach band.

FAX

Hammock Parties 09-21-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7025867)
They need to be able to get McCluster the ball in space.....

No, he's a second round pick.

He needs to run a route, beat his man and catch the ball.

Red Brooklyn 09-21-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 7025832)
so after making it 30 or so posts in and with no real info, can anyone summarize WTF is going on please.

KC media reports second hand information from unnamed sources that Charles isn't pleased. Wants ball more. Didn't like being yelled at on sidelines. Unnamed players think there is a double standard because Cassel never gets yelled at/blamed. Plant implodes. Ya know. The usual. :)

Hammock Parties 09-21-2010 04:35 PM

Anyway, we're 2-0. You knew some shit had to come down. Stupid ass football town, innit?

FAX 09-21-2010 04:36 PM

So ... more consideration and patience for McCluster?

Meanwhile, Jones, who has done nothing but carry the rock well and with determination gets dissed because he's not Charles? Fans have their favorites, I guess. Meanwhile, it all sounds like a big, fuzzy work-in-progress to me.

I know this much ... if Mark Castle continues to throw to McCluster in the flat with a safety teeing off on his ass, it isn't going to matter much because McCluster will be on IR.

FAX

O.city 09-21-2010 04:37 PM

Exactly. I think a pass fake to Dex in the flat will open a deep ball. If cassel can get it there.

Saccopoo 09-21-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7025880)
I know this much ... if Mark Castle continues to throw to McCluster in the flat with a safety teeing off on his ass, it isn't going to matter much because McCluster will be on IR.

I wonder...has anyone ever seen Cassel pump fake?

I mean, if the safety or corner is playing up in the box to the point where Dex is getting creamed off the snap, couldn't he try a pump fake to get the safety to bite and get it to a receiver downfield? (Assuming that we have a receiver on this team that's capable of actually getting downfield.)

booger 09-21-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7025871)
Assuming Mark Castle continues to put up those freakish efficiency ratings and we start losing games, something will snap, Mr. booger.

Probably Weis' stomach band.

FAX

LOL

I just see it as Pioli hopes cassel can start to get things to click. So does Haley. Haley is put in the middle because i imagine Weis has about had it with him and Haley would atleast entertain the thought of pulling him if he knew that Pioli and Hunt wouldn't freak out and they could go with what Haley has said about it doesn't matter who makes how much, etc and the best player plays and they can start applying that to the QB position too.

IMO it becomes much easier, even for Pioli to be willing to pull Cassel being that the special teams and D are so improved and the potential of the playmakers on O if they spread the ball around, run the ball with all the talented backs and play action pass.

Winning is the most important thing for this organization. Hunt knows that. Pioli knows that. Haley sure knows that. I just hope they don't let the loss's pile up before they come around to thinking that letting Cassel play backup for awhile atleast.


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