Not sure. I don't live in KC. I can say in Illinois you are looking at around $60k, or $80k if you live up near Chicago, for an officer out of his probationary years.

I guess this looks kinda bad for the cops, but it's not like they shot his dog or some shit.

You know, in real life, you can get shot in the leg, have your femoral artery pierced, and bleed out in about a minute.

I would also point out that in real life the guy who played Murtaugh blamed the Haiti earthquake on global warming.

That was a very entertaining movie, though. I particularly liked the smiley face scene.

Yeah, Id much rather have 46 bullets fired at me and taking 30 of them. Much more survivable. :shake:

If Mr. Ginsu died of a pierced femoral artery, it would have been an unfortunate tragedy that occured while trying to bring him in without killing him. I doubt that even the victim's (yes, victim) own mother would have faulted them for that.

Clearly, the intent would be not to butcher the guy in the street, but just stop him. All this shit about cops not being able to shoot someone in the leg and stop them is just bullshit.

Im fairly sure that had those 46 rounds been directed toward his kneecaps, dude would still be breathing.

:rolleyes:

Have you heard the term, "Deadly Force"?

Cops don't carry firearms so as to subdue and contain a threat by carefully disabling their limbs one by one. It's a lethal weapon. They shoot to kill, and rightly so.

Did he died?

Sorry, but life isn't some dumb **** liberal movie fantasy. If you're batshit crazy and approach a group of cops with a knife, you get shot. I don't care if he got shot 4 times, or 40, or 400. And as I said earlier, WHO CARES? One less dirtbag lunatic in the world. I call it a Darwin Flush.

If you have a knife 20 feet from me threatening me, I can't shoot you unless you came at me with it.

If this guy was running towards the cops blow his ass away but this is extremely excessive in my mind.

Absolutely every bit of empirical research ever done suggests otherwise.

Shooters under stress just miss - it's why those shooters are taught to aim at the largest part of the body.

The 'shoot 'em in the leg' school is simply factually inaccurate in everything they have to say in this regard. It's an entire thought process built around a faulty premise.

Continue to parrot it if you want - but you're wrong. Sorry.

That's nothing, we use Popo snipers on cows around here.


http://billingsgazette.com/news/loca...12f7ec07c.html

Maybe DJ is right, the cops got all stressed out and couldn't even hit a cow so they had to bring in a sniper.

Dear people who think they should have shot the legs:

When, during that video, should one of the police shouted out "Shoot for the legs"? There was no time elapsed between the aggressive move and the first shot. If all of those police are trained to wait for the aggressive move, then the command, then for them to hear the command, then for their minds to process the command, then for their hands to aim south, then the firing, that's more time for the aggressive move to play out. That would place the object of his move in more danger.

Also, how would they know that every policeman would hear it? They were on opposite sides of him (including at least one behind the bush on the left).

Who would give that order? I imagine that the one in charge was the one trying to talk the guy down. Should s/he stop and start shouting commands, mid-sentence?

Suppose the mentally unstable guy with the knife heard the command. Now he knows not only that they are about to shoot, but that they're not willing to shoot to kill.

Okay, so you train your police officers to shoot the legs in some situations. What's the line? If it's distance - say, 20 feet - can those cops, under considerable stress, judge whether they're 18, 20, or 22 feet away, without resorting to a tape measure? Do you have them go for the leg shot if there are three or more police on site? If they guy's on drugs; how would they know? Is that an eight-inch knife, or just six? Is he alone? Do you know him? Or would you just have them always shoot the legs?

No. You would not. Police officers are frequently outnumbered, outgunned, and in hostile environments with a lot of moving parts in action during a life-or-death moment. When the time comes for them to take action, they should take swift and sure action and preserve their own safety, and the safety of other people nearby. In other words, don't shoot the leg.

That said, the way to have ended this should have been through less-lethal weapons. If those police didn't have tasers, and maybe a beanbag gun in every police cruiser trunk, they should have.