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O.city 03-10-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10477959)
And then people would be screaming about how we spend all our ****ing top picks on 3-4 defensive ends.

If he played the way he played in ny here, people wouldn't give a shit

Sorter 03-10-2014 06:10 PM

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We all freaked the **** out (rightfully so) when Tyson Jackson was taken at 3rd overall.
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So... a 3-4 DE is a reach at third overall (Jackson) but is the smart move at first overall (Richardson)?
Yes, because they're different players and in different philosophies.

chiefzilla1501 03-10-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10477959)
And then people would be screaming about how we spend all our ****ing top picks on 3-4 defensive ends.

3-4 DEs are extremely valuable. Just not a 5-technique, especially ones who everyone knew was nowhere close to Richard Seymour level.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10477962)
If he played the way he played in ny here, people wouldn't give a shit

Same goes for Fisher playing at a probowl level. But again, I'm not talking about how they did on the field. This entire argument is about whether or not it is fundamentally stupid to draft an OT at first overall. I am saying that drafting Eric Fisher is in no way more stupid than drafting Sheldon Richardson PURELY BASED ON POSITION.

Fisher was widely regarded as just as good of a prospect as Richardson. Across the board, people thought he would be successful.

So, you have two guys, each projected to succeed at the next level. One is an OT, and the other a 3-4 DE. I don't see any reason why one of those picks is bad and the other good.

Again, it's not like anyone knew that Richardson was going to blow up and Fisher would struggle. Of course, they get paid extremely well to make those decisions. But at the end of the day, clearly it's just ****ing hard to really project success in the NFL.

Rausch 03-10-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10477959)
And then people would be screaming about how we spend all our ****ing top picks on 3-4 defensive ends.

Which is ****ing stupid.

Other teams are drafting QB's and playmakers. Players you can build a franchise around.

KC loves us some OL/DL...

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10477963)
Yes, because they're different players and in different philosophies.

Fair enough.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10477981)
Which is ****ing stupid.

Other teams are drafting QB's and playmakers. Players you can build a franchise around.

KC loves us some OL/DL...

Dude, I'm actually with you.

Go back and look at the draft threads. I was crying for us to draft a QB, even after the Alex trade. I am so terrified we are going to spend our first rounder this year on another ****ing lineman, because derp a derp trenches.

This team is missing skill at the skill position. If anything, I suppose it's best to be pissed off that we didn't go after Tayvon Austin.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10477951)
Seeing how I wanted Sheldon Richardson, I could make that argument yes.

Even after we signed Devito? I saw Richardson as a top talent physically but not the type of character risk you want to take at #1 overall.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10477981)
Which is ****ing stupid.

Other teams are drafting QB's and playmakers. Players you can build a franchise around.

KC loves us some OL/DL...

Tell me how well that has worked out for the Lions?:hmmm:

Good teams don't draft the skills positions in the top 5 unless they are:

1. Completely set along their OT and DL.

2. That skills player is a once in a generation-type talent. (Calvin Johnson)

3. The skills players available are clearly superior in talent to the OT or DL player available.

Sorter 03-10-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10477981)
Which is ****ing stupid.

Other teams are drafting QB's and playmakers. Players you can build a franchise around.

KC loves us some OL/DL...

I think a pass rusher who can play nearly every technique on the line is a playmaker, which is why I thought Sheldon would be an excellent addition.


That's entirely subjective though.

O.city 03-10-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477991)
Even after we signed Devito? I saw Richardson as a top talent physically but not the type of character risk you want to take at #1 overall.

Again, we had 2 tackles the same as we had two des.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477994)
Tell me how well that has worked out for the Lions?:hmmm:

Don't be silly.

Mugsy 03-10-2014 06:23 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw Richardson as a "sure thing" 3-4 DE and a top three pick at the time. Maybe some wanted to trade back and take him but, that's almost a pipe dream with the #1 pick.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10478010)
Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw Richardson as a "sure thing" 3-4 DE and a top three pick at the time.

Well, I'm sure someone did.

Mugsy 03-10-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10478012)
Well, I'm sure someone did.

I guess someone...


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