Originally Posted by CapsLockKey (Post 10873149)

The point is if you are arguing that drafting your own QB pays off more than signing a retread, the Raiders are the last organization you should be using as an example. Their only moments of success since the 70's was with retread QBs.

Originally Posted by Ben N 58men (Post 10871201)

Oakland and Jaguars know what it takes to be competitive.

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10873477)

Yep, exactly, and THAT, is why they are.....Oh wait. forget it.

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10873367)

CP selected Sanchez: playoff winner,

and Geno: ascending.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10873356)

CP is 1000x's worse than the chiefs. This place couldnt tell the difference between its ass and a hole in the grounds when it comes to quarterbacks.

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10873367)

CP selected Sanchez: playoff winner,

and Geno: ascending.


CP also selected Clausen, and I have no idea what the hell that was all about.

CP is willing to pull triggers.

Chiefs are willing to pull puds.

CPFTW.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10873503)

CP only cares about the hype of a 1st round QB and "What it could mean", rarely does CP actually get into a meaningful debate about which of the QB's drafted in the first two rands will most likely be the bust, which will be the serviceable backup, which will be the journeyman starter, etc.

CP only cares about Andrew Luck Type 1st round selections at QB.



CP is willing to spend its first round pick, every year, on QB's, regardless of how well they measure out, or how well they actually fit OUR offense. CP assumes that we draft the best QB possible, then mold the offense around him, and that's just not how it works most of the time.

In 2006, we'd have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of DJ (That's questionable)
In 2006, we'd have drafted Kellen Clemens instead of Hali (ELOH****INGEL)
In 2007, we'd have drafted Kevin Kolb instead of Bowe (Nopenopenope)
In 2008, we'd have drafted Joe Flacco instead of Dorsey (Yes please)
In 2009, we'd have drafted Sanchez instead of Jackson (No thanks)
In 2010, we'd have drafted Tebow instead of Berry (LOLOLOLOL)
In 2011, we'd have drafted Dalton instead of Baldwin (I wish) not much better
In 2012, we'd have drafted Weeden instead of Poe (LOLOLOLOL)
In 2013, we'd have drafted EJ Manuel instead of Fisher (Ehhh, no thanks)
In 2014 we'd have drafted Bridgewater/Carr instead of Ford (we shall see)

So as we can see here in the last 10 years, we'd have had 3 shots at decent QB's (Rodgers, Flacco, and Dalton), but would have given up DJ, Hali, Bowe, Berry, Poe, Fisher, and Ford from our active roster.

Cry as we might about this one, but 7 of our last 10 1st round picks are still on this team, and 6 of those guys are starters, 5 of them have already been pro bowlers.

Now, I'm all for drafting a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Joe Flacco over DJ, whom I think is the best draft pick on that list, but I wouldn't be willing to have Aaron for those 6 starters we have from those 10 draft picks, which is exactly why I'm not upset that we keep taking defensive talents with our first picks instead of QB's, because if we'd have been drafting QB's with our #1 pick over the last 10 years, we'd have 3 pro bowl caliber QB's with only half a defense.

Oh, and Geno sucks.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10873503)

CP only cares about the hype of a 1st round QB and "What it could mean", rarely does CP actually get into a meaningful debate about which of the QB's drafted in the first two rands will most likely be the bust, which will be the serviceable backup, which will be the journeyman starter, etc.

CP only cares about Andrew Luck Type 1st round selections at QB.



CP is willing to spend its first round pick, every year, on QB's, regardless of how well they measure out, or how well they actually fit OUR offense. CP assumes that we draft the best QB possible, then mold the offense around him, and that's just not how it works most of the time.

In 2006, we'd have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of DJ (That's questionable)
In 2006, we'd have drafted Kellen Clemens instead of Hali (ELOH****INGEL)
In 2007, we'd have drafted Kevin Kolb instead of Bowe (Nopenopenope)
In 2008, we'd have drafted Joe Flacco instead of Dorsey (Yes please)
In 2009, we'd have drafted Sanchez instead of Jackson (No thanks)
In 2010, we'd have drafted Tebow instead of Berry (LOLOLOLOL)
In 2011, we'd have drafted Dalton instead of Baldwin (I wish) not much better
In 2012, we'd have drafted Weeden instead of Poe (LOLOLOLOL)
In 2013, we'd have drafted EJ Manuel instead of Fisher (Ehhh, no thanks)
In 2014 we'd have drafted Bridgewater/Carr instead of Ford (we shall see)

So as we can see here in the last 10 years, we'd have had 3 shots at decent QB's (Rodgers, Flacco, and Dalton), but would have given up DJ, Hali, Bowe, Berry, Poe, Fisher, and Ford from our active roster.

Cry as we might about this one, but 7 of our last 10 1st round picks are still on this team, and 6 of those guys are starters, 5 of them have already been pro bowlers.

Now, I'm all for drafting a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Joe Flacco over DJ, whom I think is the best draft pick on that list, but I wouldn't be willing to have Aaron for those 6 starters we have from those 10 draft picks, which is exactly why I'm not upset that we keep taking defensive talents with our first picks instead of QB's, because if we'd have been drafting QB's with our #1 pick over the last 10 years, we'd have 3 pro bowl caliber QB's with only half a defense.

Oh, and Geno sucks.

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10873530)

really? Also, kc could have drafted other QBs outside of the ones you listed, if they had pulled the trigger in the second or even third round. Nick Foles is a perfect example, along with Wilson. Also, you make it sound like drafts are static, they aren't. It doesn't take a genius to figure out a way to trade up or down in a draft and get the player you want.... just say'n.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10873544)

Nick Foles is not a better QB than Alex Smith, Wilson is not a better QB than Smith

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10873544)

Nick Foles is not a better QB than Alex Smith, Wilson is not a better QB than Smith, and while I'm all for taking QB's after the 1st round, we needn't be so caught up in drafting a 1st round talent, especially with the last 10 years of drafting being evident of that.

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10873530)

really? Also, kc could have drafted other QBs outside of the ones you listed, if they had pulled the trigger in the second or even third round. Nick Foles is a perfect example, along with Wilson. Also, you make it sound like drafts are static, they aren't. It doesn't take a genius to figure out a way to trade up or down in a draft and get the player you want.... just say'n.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10873550)

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 10873470)

if carr turns out to be another russel wilson or kapernick i will stab myself in the face repeatedly

I pray you are correct sir

but I still wish we would at least swing the god damn bat