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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11578312)

You're truly ****ing stupid

174 yards per game. 1 touchdown per game.

GREATNESS!

I forgot the 42 rushing yards he had in that post season though. Add that in and you pretty much have one of the best post seasons ever.

That 103 passing yard game... just magical stuff man. 50% completion? He was on fire!

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11578306)

We are a 10-6 Wildcard, maybe if things go right win the AFC West squad. We aren't some monster badass take names in the playoffs team. If we had an elite QB, we would be in the talking for sure but we don't. We have an elite running game and an elite pass rush (barring Houston getting resigned), the rest of the team is a bunch of question marks. We can beat some good teams and lose to some shitty ones. Have a winning season and for the most part be pretty successful. Nothing wrong with what we have, but we aren't building the 90s Cowboys here.

Yep. Really just depends on Manning and Denver taking a step back which I think they are this season. We are a good, but not great team mainly attributed to a mediocre QB/O-line combination.

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11578319)

Do these stats paint the play, on 4th and 2 from the 40, where Wilson hard counted the equally as dominant 49ers defense, in the 4th quarter, and threw a perfect TD pass to Jermaine Kearse on a free play that he orchestrated by being extremely aware and intelligent in a high stress, pressure situation? Or ... No?

13:52 left in the game is a high stress, high pressure situation?

Ok. LMAO

Alex Smith can't win a Super Bowl they say...

Here are his playoff AVERAGES

291 passing yards per game
7.7 ypa
42 rushing yards per game
3.3tds per game
0 ints per game

Yup...sure can't win with those kinda pedestrian numbers.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11578327)

Alex Smith can't win a Super Bowl they say...

Here are his playoff AVERAGES

291 passing yards per game
42 rushing yards per game
3.3tds per game
0 ints per game

Yup...sure can't win with those kinda pedestrian numbers.

That's dumb. Given the right circumstances probably 20-25 QB's if not more COULD win a SB IMO.

What really matters is your odds of winning. If Rodgers is at 25% I'd say Alex is under 5%.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11578277)

No doubt - who he is now is a damn dynamic weapon.

But who he was in 2013 - when he won a title - wasn't appreciably different from what we can expect from Smith.

33 YPG; Longest carry of 27 yards; 6.0 YPC. Smith was at 29 YPG in 2013 with a long of 26. Last year he was down a bit with 17 YPG but his yards per carry were about the same as the year prior - 5.2 vs. 5.7.

I'm not going to try to argue that we can expect the same performance from Smith that the Seahawks can from Wilson - that's not terribly realistic. But we CAN expect the same performance from Smith that the Seahawks got from Wilson in 2013. And there's nothing by way of raw talent elsewhere on that 2013 Seahawks team to suggest that the Chiefs can't follow that recipe.

It's not the ideal way to do it, no. I think we both agree that the best way to win a championship would be to get a superstar QB for below market and hold onto him like grim death. But this approach is a doable way and the 2013 Seahawks proved that.

I just don't understand the fatalism.

Agreed. We can build a championship-caliber team in the aggregate.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11578306)

We are a 10-6 Wildcard, maybe if things go right win the AFC West squad. We aren't some monster badass take names in the playoffs team.

And you've just described nearly the entire ****ing league.

The model the Chiefs have right now is one that can win a championship; the problem is that the window to win it isn't going to be open for long.

It takes a QB to keep that window open for a decade or more.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11578321)

You referencing the Saints game over, and over, and over again just shows me how ****ing stupid you really are

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11578326)

13:52 left in the game is a high stress, high pressure situation?

Ok. LMAO

Oh, it most certainly was. 4th down in the 4th quarter of the NFC Championship game against a team and defense that just OBLITERATED Aaron Rodgers. Yep, that Aaron Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11578327)

He's played in three ****ing playoff games. Probably wise not to start sucking our own dicks just yet.

The sample size doesn't allow one to make claims about his playoff ability.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11578306)

We are a 10-6 Wildcard, maybe if things go right win the AFC West squad. We aren't some monster badass take names in the playoffs team. If we had an elite QB, we would be in the talking for sure but we don't. We have an elite running game and an elite pass rush (barring Houston getting resigned), the rest of the team is a bunch of question marks. We can beat some good teams and lose to some shitty ones. Have a winning season and for the most part be pretty successful. Nothing wrong with what we have, but we aren't building the 90s Cowboys here.

Name one.

Even the Seahawks, who have to be considered the most complete team in the league, needed a fluke-ass booted onside kick and an immobile Aaron Rodgers to storm back. A TON had to go right for them to get to the SB last season. And again, I don't see a massive talent gap between the Chiefs and Seahaws. I like our pass catchers and box-7 better. I like their DBs and OL better. Our RBs and STs are a wash. Wilson may well be the difference between the two but even with him, it took some pretty outstanding fortune for them to get to where they got.

The Broncos are Manning and if he's not Manning, he's definitely not a world beater. That Pats are probably the closes you can come up with but that teams far from unbeatable.

The 90's Cowboys don't don't exist; they can't exist in a cap era. That's my point exactly - it's a parity driven league. You don't build juggernauts anymore and any expectation that the Chiefs will suddenly find the rosetta stone that allows them to do so is kinda nutty.

As I stated (and Deez restated). The only way to have a 10 year window is with a HOF quarterback. Now we may even be entering an era where that doesn't do it for you as they start requiring 1/3 of your cap to hold onto, but we'll see. That said, we don't have a HOF quarterback and if you want to continue to hold the sins of Scott Pioli (not drafting Russell) against Dorsey, you're welcome to do so, reason be damned.

Dorsey's done a damn fine job turning this team into a legitimate contender. Is it a prohibitive favorite? No, no it is not. But it's not some also-ran either. This is a team that other teams are not happy to see on their schedule.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 11578335)

He's played in three ****ing playoff games. Probably wise not to start sucking our own dicks just yet.

The sample size doesn't allow one to make claims about his playoff ability.

It shows he isn't a liability in the playoffs, at minimum..and shows he has the ability to play at a high level on the big stage.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11578347)

It shows he isn't a liability in the playoffs, at minimum..and shows he has the ability to play at a high level on the big stage.

Why the **** can't he do it during the regular season?

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11578348)

Why the **** can't he do it during the regular season?

Lack of urgency of the players around him?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11578350)

Lack of urgency of the players around him?

So it's all the other player's fault?

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11578333)

You referencing the Saints game over, and over, and over again just shows me how ****ing stupid you really are

Oh? Maybe I should reference the 215 yard game or 208 yard game instead right? So much brilliance to choose from!! I just love how he led the team to that 43-8 Superbowl win. Just spectacular stuff there.
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