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When did the standard become elite?

Most of those guys are very good pitchers. If Drabek could become something resembling AJ Burnett (at least his Florida/Toronto form), that would be just fine.

The standard became elite when we started having a discussion about trading an ace to your team in exchange for a player with a significant injury already on the books.

We need #1 upside.

Did that list really include Kerry Wood? Seriously?

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265852)

The standard became elite when we started having a discussion about trading an ace to your team in exchange for a player with a significant injury already on the books.

We need #1 upside.

#1. I've never claimed Kyle Drabek had #1 upside.
#2. As I said, don't get your hopes up. Fair value for Greinke will be nearly impossible to acquire unless Brian Sabean/Ned Coletti does something stupid.

Saul Good

12-17-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265852)

Did that list really include Kerry Wood? Seriously?

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7265857)

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

He's still making millions playing professional baseball, though. I think he'll take it.

Saul Good

12-17-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7265860)

He's still making millions playing professional baseball, though. I think he'll take it.

He will take it. I'm not sure the Cubs are thrilled, though.

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7265864)

He will take it. I'm not sure the Cubs are thrilled, though.

For $1.5M this year, they should be.

DeezNutz

12-17-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7265857)

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

As I noted in this thread earlier, Strasburg is going to be the definitive case study, IMO, on the impact of TJ surgery. Sick tools and unbelievable upside.

Let's see how this kid responds. If he becomes Kerry Wood II, I never ever want to hear about how the procedure is "no big deal."

Saul Good

12-17-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7265867)

For $1.5M this year, they should be.

The Royals can pay me $1.5M to go pitch, and I'd be thrilled. Unfortunately, you don't judge a team's success by how happy their players are about being millionaires/

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265869)

All pitchers are huge injury risks, whether they've had TJ or not.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...s-part-2-of-2/

Saul Good

12-17-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265869)

The procedure is a very big deal. It can be overcome, but it's still a big freaking deal. Hell, ask Strasburg and the Nationals if it's a big deal.

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 03:00 PM

From the BP article:

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That Tommy John surgery seems all too common is perhaps the best measure of its success. While there is still a failure rate of 10 to 15 percent, most of these happen on younger subjects. It would be more accurate to say that the pitcher fails himself in most cases, rather than the surgery being the problem. Some think the procedure is becoming too common, with younger and younger patients. Others want to have their "prospect" son given the procedure when young so as to avoid it later.

While there are faults, the surgery and the team behind the procedures have made baseball better. One in nine pitchers would not be on the field without it, further diluting the pitching population. Frank Jobe's experiment on a desperate pitcher has become a part of America's game, a routine procedure taken for granted. That alone is pretty amazing.

DeezNutz

12-17-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7265874)

All pitchers are huge injury risks, whether they've had TJ or not.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...s-part-2-of-2/

Yes, everyone in this thread knows this already. The human body isn't meant for it.

Again, this is why Greinke, who is not a max-effort guy and has one of the most fluid and smooth deliveries in the game, is even more valuable. If you're going to make a bet on who will stay healthy, he would be a good person to put your money on.

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265887)

Yes, everyone in this thread knows this already. The human body isn't meant for it.

So if they're all injury risks with more or less the same % of getting hurt, why worry so much about one guy whose had TJ?

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Again, this is why Greinke, who is not a max-effort guy and has one of the most fluid and smooth deliveries in the game, is even more valuable. If you're going to make a bet on who will stay healthy, he would be a good person to put your money on.

I don't disagree.

DeezNutz

12-17-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7265890)

So if they're all injury risks with more or less the same % of getting hurt, why worry so much about one guy whose had TJ?

I don't disagree.

Well, I suppose I'll use this analogy: If I can buy one of two beautiful used cars, equal miles and equal performance ratings, and I know that one has been wrecked, which do you think I'm buying (even though the dealer insists that each is just as good as the other)?

KC_Connection

12-17-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7265894)

That analogy only works only if you equate being wrecked with a successful TJ surgery. I don't.

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