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Nightfyre 07-25-2016 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12334424)
All minor league players though. If next season didn't project to be a great opportunity then of course trading Davis is a great idea. We should gamble all we want with money and minor leaguers, but not important pieces to the major league roster as long as next season is still brimming with optimism. I am happy to endure a few years of rebuilding if it means another deep playoff run, though I don't think trading Davis is necessary to prevent rebuilding seasons. I can't remember the last time we lost anything significant off the major league roster that we had control of moving forward and I doubt it starts this season.

We can pay for a closer next season for the 13M saved by trading Davis. If you can get a return with near-mlb prospects that can supplement the current core for Davis/Volquez/Hoch/Morales, you do that. Maybe it even establishes a new core that opens the window well past 2017 if you end up with some game-changing prospects and a little luck from your own system.

In 2016:
Trading Davis saves 3.2M
Trading Volquez saves 3.8M
Trading Hoch saves 2.2M
Trading Morales saves 3.6M

That's a lot of scratch that could enhance our roster next year.

ChiTown 07-25-2016 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12334281)
Would Morales fetch us anything in trade?

A bucket of practice balls.

Honestly, not much. He's replacement level right now

mr. tegu 07-25-2016 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 12334447)
We can pay for a closer next season for the 13M saved by trading Davis. If you can get a return with near-mlb prospects that can supplement the current core for Davis/Volquez/Hoch/Morales, you do that. Maybe it even establishes a new core that opens the window well past 2017 if you end up with some game-changing prospects and a little luck from your own system.

Volquez and Hoch definitely have to go at this point. I am a little uncertain on Morales but if he makes for a good package somewhere and it helps get a good deal done so be it. Keeping Davis does not prevent the team from remaining competitive beyond 2017. It's not an if/then proposition.

If we all agree Davis is one of the two best closers in baseball then there is basically no way anyone can argue the team is stronger in the bullpen next year by losing him. I hope we try to get Holland back as well.

I know people are afraid of the drop off potential after 2017 but that fear shouldn't hamper our all in push for next season. Also, the more we see of the young guys now, the more it looks the team even as currently constructed we will be competitive even without Hosmer, Moose, and Cain once Mondesi and Dozier come up. I believe losing Davis unnecessarily weakens us next season. What we are really going to need is starting pitching and we can get that with all the extra World Series revenue from next season.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-25-2016 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12333798)
One reason why any comparisons between this team and teams from the previous three years is just ridiculous:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals">@Royals</a> have now allowed an MLB-high 72 runs in the 1st inning. They allowed a total of 68 in 162 games last season.</p>&mdash; Dave Holtzman (@DHoltzy) <a href="https://twitter.com/DHoltzy/status/757736246861041664">July 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The starting pitching on this team is just not good enough to be able to compare this Royals team to years past.

Wow.

Great Expectations 07-25-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 12334447)
We can pay for a closer next season for the 13M saved by trading Davis. If you can get a return with near-mlb prospects that can supplement the current core for Davis/Volquez/Hoch/Morales, you do that. Maybe it even establishes a new core that opens the window well past 2017 if you end up with some game-changing prospects and a little luck from your own system.

In 2016:
Trading Davis saves 3.2M
Trading Volquez saves 3.8M
Trading Hoch saves 2.2M
Trading Morales saves 3.6M

That's a lot of scratch that could enhance our roster next year.

If we'd put Soria and Kennedy in on any trade offer as a salary dump we'd be in a great spot to extend somebody and sign a decent starter next year.

Kennedy is awful with this juiced up ball.

Why Not? 07-25-2016 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12334528)
If we'd put Soria and Kennedy in on any trade offer as a salary dump we'd be in a great spot to extend somebody and sign a decent starter next year.

Kennedy is awful with this juiced up ball.


I wish. No way anyone takes on those contracts.

Sure-Oz 07-25-2016 10:32 PM

@matthewpouliot: Paulo Orlando
2015: .249, .444 SLG in 241 AB
2016: .317, .391 SLG in 243 AB
2015: 53/5 K/BB in 241 AB
2016: 52/5 K/BB in 243 AB

Anyong Bluth 07-26-2016 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12332740)
Sure.

Congrats to them. After three years of being dead wrong about the Royals, they finally got it kind of right.

And all it took was:
Mike Moustakas missing almost all of the season
Lorenzo Cain having a lengthy DL stint
Alex Gordon missing time with a fluke injury and having an extremely poor season compared to projections
The SP depth getting wrecked by injuries that took 3 of the top 8 rotation arms out of action
MLB juicing the baseball (tough time to have a flyball heavy staff and a big reason for the extreme home-road splits)

Way to go, analytics guys. You nailed it.




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Was just about to say I didn't know the analytics guys project injury, but you got it covered.

duncan_idaho 07-26-2016 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12333650)
I don't see them trading Davis. Maybe if Soria didn't blow chunks I would believe it a bit more. But we went to back to back WS largely on bullpen strength and our best bullpen won the WS over the best starting staff. Being down to just one dominant and reliable reliever is not something I believe is a recipe for success for this team.


With the rest of MLB emulating the great bullpen approach the Royals have ridden the past two seasons, KC would be smart to look at cashing in.

If, for example, they could get a guy with all-star ability at 2B (Trea Turner) who could be the everyday 2B in 2017 and be a major upgrade as well as someone who can slide into the MLB rotation in 2017 and be league average or better (Lopez, AJ Cole), that probably is more helpful than having the most dominant closer around.

They're not talking about trading Davis for long term prospects multiple years away from MLB (if they were, he already would have been traded). It would be for hole-filling assets that help immediately.

Re: Morales, in a sellers market, he has value for sure. The slow start hurts, but the guy is .330/.430/.567 over his past 150 ABs (nearly two full months dating back to June). That's a bat that would help a lot of teams.

He, Volquez and Hochevar can be traded for best return available, since they likely were not part of the plan for 2017, anyway. Would be ideal if at least part of that returns a SP who could be in the rotation by at least midseason 2017, and maybe sooner...


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Al Bundy 07-26-2016 06:23 AM

Not Royals related but...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlueJays?src=hash">#BlueJays</a> agree to acquire Melvin Upton Jr. from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash">#Padres</a> for Class A prospect. Financial terms not known. Likely finalized today.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/757881759266643968">July 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Pasta Little Brioni 07-26-2016 06:45 AM

BJ

Lex Luthor 07-26-2016 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12332700)
Is this a good time to talk about the analytics gurus being wrong about the Royals again?

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12332740)
Sure.

Congrats to them. After three years of being dead wrong about the Royals, they finally got it kind of right.

And all it took was:
Mike Moustakas missing almost all of the season
Lorenzo Cain having a lengthy DL stint
Alex Gordon missing time with a fluke injury and having an extremely poor season compared to projections
The SP depth getting wrecked by injuries that took 3 of the top 8 rotation arms out of action
MLB juicing the baseball (tough time to have a flyball heavy staff and a big reason for the extreme home-road splits)

Way to go, analytics guys. You nailed it.

ROFL

Pwned!

Prison Bitch 07-26-2016 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12334528)
If we'd put Soria and Kennedy in on any trade offer as a salary dump we'd be in a great spot to extend somebody and sign a decent starter next year.

Kennedy is awful with this juiced up ball.

He's been prone to the gopher ball his whole career. Let's not pretend this is a new thing. He was getting bombed in Petco Park which is a canyon. His K rate has saved him his career and it's helped him his 1st month here, but no more. He's one of the worst starters in MLb

Lex Luthor 07-26-2016 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12333243)
I'd start listening on Hosmer for sure. Set to make 10+ next year and he's so overrated. He's got a 0.2 fWAR and he's 13th among 1B in weighted runs created. I don't think you can fool many GMs anymore with the analytics being so prevalent, but maybe someone sees him breaking thru to 24HR power and not all these bullshit grounders.


I'd be fine playing Moose or Cuthbert there next year and using that $ to buy a starter

I actually agree with this. Put Moose at 1B and sign him to an extension.

Great Expectations 07-26-2016 07:37 AM

Moose looked to be in better shape than normal during the trip to the White House.


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