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|Zach| 03-04-2012 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8416816)
Yeah, I don't think this is even remotely close to anything I've suggested.
But one of his detractions you brought up was something he couldn't actually accomplish. ie hasnt won with his recruits

Just thought it was funny like...the bell curve of criticism.

ArrowheadHawk 03-04-2012 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8416799)
Heh. I'm with ya. Has to be reaaal hard leading all those high 4 and 5 star players into battle. But, but, but it's a down year. Only starting roster is full of top tier players, not 2 full teams worth :rolleyes:
Tell that to Scott Drew and Rick Barnes.

O.city 03-04-2012 04:30 PM
Bowser, so you think Self won the Coty based on his name alone?

DeezNutz 03-04-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8416822)
But one of his detractions you brought up was something he couldn't actually accomplish. ie hasnt won with his recruits

Just thought it was funny like...the bell curve of criticism.
No, you're right that Haith can't do a heck of a lot more at this point.

I'm enjoying this season for sure and am cautiously optimistic about how he'll be able to develop the program further.

Bowser 03-04-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8416827)
Bowser, so you think Self won the Coty based on his name alone?
I know it's poor form to answer a question with a question, but do you think Self was a better coach than Haith this year?

kstater 03-04-2012 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8416833)
I know it's poor form to answer a question with a question, but do you think Self was a better coach than Haith this year?
Self won 2 more league games no?

O.city 03-04-2012 04:34 PM
Self returned 1 starter, had a couple recruits ruled ineligible.


I think Haith done a great job. Really, a great job. That said, he did inherit a senior laden team.

What makes you think Haith was that much better than Self?

DeezNutz 03-04-2012 04:37 PM
If there's a two-way split, which is weak, one could make a case for a three-way split:

Self: continues to win the conference.
Haith: most reg. season wins in school history.
Mayor: one of the best turnarounds in conf. history.

Hard to pick here.

Pitt Gorilla 03-04-2012 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8416747)
Does he have a single one of his own recruits contributing? Should we wait for this to happen before proclaiming him the answer?

Right now, things are pretty damn good.
I don't know. We are currently very high on Julius Randle's list and that is worth something.

Bowser 03-04-2012 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8416844)
Self returned 1 starter, had a couple recruits ruled ineligible.


I think Haith done a great job. Really, a great job. That said, he did inherit a senior laden team.

What makes you think Haith was that much better than Self?
Kind of like what I said earlier - how Haith took Anderson's guys and turned them into contenders when Anderson couldn't. Self is a great coach, that isn't debatable. I just think Haith did more than Self this year, especially considering his roster and expectations.

Had Haith won in Lawrence, he most likely would have won the award, but he didn't.

Pitt Gorilla 03-04-2012 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8416844)
Self returned 1 starter, had a couple recruits ruled ineligible.


I think Haith done a great job. Really, a great job. That said, he did inherit a senior laden team.

What makes you think Haith was that much better than Self?
I think year over year win totals might tell you something.

Bowser 03-04-2012 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8416837)
Self won 2 more league games no?
Then there's that. The inexcusable loss to OSU and losing to you guys in Columbia helped not at all.

DJay23 03-04-2012 04:40 PM
It's splitting hairs, but Mizzou had 4 players on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team plus 6th Man and KU had 2 first teams and a 3rd team. According to the coaches Haith had more to work with and still lost the league by 2 games.

Pitt Gorilla 03-04-2012 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 8416864)
It's splitting hairs, but Mizzou had 4 players on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team plus 6th Man and KU had 2 first teams and a 3rd team. According to the coaches Haith had more to work with and still lost the league by 2 games.
How many of those players were selected the year before Haith began coaching them? In-game coaching is part of the equation, but so is player development.

DJay23 03-04-2012 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8416854)
Kind of like what I said earlier - how Haith took Anderson's guys and turned them into contenders when Anderson couldn't. Self is a great coach, that isn't debatable. I just think Haith did more than Self this year, especially considering his roster and expectations.

Had Haith won in Lawrence, he most likely would have won the award, but he didn't.
When you consider expecations at the start of the year the coaches picked Mizzou 4th and KU T-1st so in that regard Haith did a better job.


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