Roman censors were harsh. Nothing above "G." The stories I could tell....

Not a chance, Ma'am.

We must be talking about different Bibles then.

Everything is relative. Afterall, we are talking about an age in which Gladiator matinees were considered PG-13.

I am not going to look up a bunch of scripture right now. Anyone who has ever attended church knows about the army of angels and hell wich is the most barbaric creation ever if true. I am not a big bible guy. If someone doesn't know enough to defend themself from somebody when they are attempting to kill you then they never should have wasted the oxygen they breathed being alive in the first place. The only thing more irritating than someone who refuses to defend themself and their family is someone who wants to force others to live that same insanity.

All that is rubbish if you cannot answer the question truthfully, and believe it in your heart that it is true. I mean, really dude, true.

Everyone has to answer the question one way or the other, there is no gray area, in fact, Jesus himself asked it of his deciples.

So, I ask you one more time, I won't be wasting much more of it with you, Who do YOU say Jesus was/is?

He fashioned a whip of rods, and drove the money changers from the temple saying, "My house is to be a house of prayer, and yet you all have turned it into a den of thieves."

He was pretty smokin ticked off.

Of course, I must follow this up with, In your anger do not sin. Which I have done many times, and have a problem with.

Jesus was angry about the unrighteousness(sin) and lawlessness that had abounded to the point of saturation, even within the temple.

And you're relying on a superficial reading for people to think being 'reduced' to 'arguing semantics' is the same as 'arguing irrelevancies.'
You posited that hate clouded my judgment, and supported that position by my admitted dislike of you personally. Well that might suffice to establish subordinate issue of 'hate.' But it says nothing about the primary issue of clouded judgment. You've done nothing to prove that, outside of asserting it, and I've provide unequivocal evidence to the contrary.

Now you have direct experience with with school terrorists? ROFL OK I guess you don't refer to yourself as Hamas for nothing. ROFL

Your example has nothing to do with defending yourself when being assaulted instead of having to run and snitch or get expelled. What a ludicrous example.

As far as guns go there are 2.5 million successful defensive gun uses in this country every year. There are only 35k deaths by gun in this country every year including cops shootin criminals, gang on gang violence and suicide. I knew you would be on the wrong side of this issue. I think we should start shooting people who try and take our guns away. Forcing us to live through what has happened in England and Australia simply shouldn't be an option.

So David did a bad thing killing that big guy (old school I know but same book).

Mr. bunnytrdr's passage is taken from Romans 12. This is the verse that also later references Deuteronomy 32:35 “Vengeance is mine ...".

The issue is that the dichotomy of Christian faith and violence is one of the oldest and greatest paradoxes in Christianity.

Those who derive their biblical foundation as if they were selecting sandwiches at Subway have a problem with it. In essence, their difficulty stems from ignoring the New Testament’s ubiquitous references to and reliance upon the Old Testament and focusing instead solely on Jesus’ most well-known and oft-quoted or -preached statements.

I sometimes wish that Jesus had been so straightforward as they make him out to be in children’s Sunday School. But, he was not.

If you choose to accept biblical quotes as truth, Jesus believed in and relied heavily upon the law … in Matthew, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

The law to which Jesus is referring is chock full of advice in respect to violence. Most often in terms of defending oneself and one's possessions.

FAX

It's really too bad Russ is gone. He'd have a field day with this sonofabitch. It would be the perfect birthday present. :D

Amen.

So, Fax. Are you a theologian?

:D

If a criminal breaks in to my house and I'm holding a shot gun in another room and I yell out to the criminal "hey, I have a gun, I don't want to kill you, but in 5 seconds I'm going to!" and then I rack my shot gun really loud and the person runs away, is that protecting myself with violence, or non-violence?

Yeah, what happened to him? KC Wolfman right?

That surely left the conservative right here without a strong voice.