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Hammock Parties 07-13-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738331)
Whose prime has been wasted? DJ who was wallowing and is just now hitting his prime?

Are you serious?

Charles, Hali, DJ, Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, Flowers, Carr....four years of their careers....gone...nothing to show for it when Pioli dumped in the garbage with his shithead boy wonder Matt.

You sitting there happy with that after Carl did the same thing to two generations of Chiefs?

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8738340)
Are you serious?

Charles, Hali, DJ, Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, Flowers, Carr....four years of their careers....gone...nothing to show for it when Pioli dumped in the garbage with his shithead boy wonder Matt.

You sitting there happy with that after Carl did the same thing to two generations of Chiefs?

Sadly, at least another 2-3 years of their careers will be wasted.

Even if they finally wise up and draft a R1 QB next year, you can't expect the kid to go full-Roethlisberger and go to the AFC Championship game/Super Bowl his first year or two.

O.city 07-13-2012 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8738340)
Are you serious?

Charles, Hali, DJ, Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, Flowers, Carr....four years of their careers....gone...nothing to show for it when Pioli dumped in the garbage with his shithead boy wonder Matt.

You sitting there happy with that after Carl did the same thing to two generations of Chiefs?


First off I'm no Cassel fan by any means. I think he was brought in simply for the fact that they knew a housecleaning was basically going down and they knew he would be a good soldier and follow orders while they built from the ground up.


Build up the roster to the point where you can just insert a qb and it can carry him until he gets his feet wet and can lead.

I don't think you could have taken the franchise from where it was in 2008 to where we want it to be in a season, I think it takes time and for you to make a move to get your qb.

IMO, thats the biggest mistake so far. Not McCluster, or Haley, or whatever else. It's not going and getting your guy. Maybe it's Stanzi, or maybe they think it's Cassel, which is absurd.

O.city 07-13-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8738347)
Sadly, at least another 2-3 years of their careers will be wasted.

Even if they finally wise up and draft a R1 QB next year, you can't expect the kid to go full-Roethlisberger and go to the AFC Championship game/Super Bowl his first year or two.

Which is why I'm not a fan of building the roster before you get your qb. I realize though that you have to keep building your roster and guys are going to get old and retire/move on.



However, if you have your qb it makes it alot easier.

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738349)
First off I'm no Cassel fan by any means. I think he was brought in simply for the fact that they knew a housecleaning was basically going down and they knew he would be a good soldier and follow orders while they built from the ground up.


Build up the roster to the point where you can just insert a qb and it can carry him until he gets his feet wet and can lead.

I don't think you could have taken the franchise from where it was in 2008 to where we want it to be in a season, I think it takes time and for you to make a move to get your qb.

IMO, thats the biggest mistake so far. Not McCluster, or Haley, or whatever else. It's not going and getting your guy. Maybe it's Stanzi, or maybe they think it's Cassel, which is absurd.

No, you get that young QB immediately, and let him sit behind Cassel for a few years.

Then he's ready to go when Cassel shits the bed - like now.

Instead, we have three Top-11 picks on our D-line.

Hammock Parties 07-13-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738349)
r maybe they think it's Cassel, which is absurd.

LMAO

Their actions this offseason say one thing:

WE LOVE MATT CASSEL!

O.city 07-13-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8738356)
No, you get that young QB immediately, and let him sit behind Cassel for a few years.

Then he's ready to go when Cassel shits the bed - like now.

Instead, we have three Top-11 picks on our D-line.

Technically they did do that with Stanzi?


But I get what you are saying. That's more what I meant was the mistake.


Bringing in Cassel, while now we he sucks, wasn't the big problem. He did an alright job moving the ship forward while things were being figured out.


Seeing that he isn't the franchise guy and having a young guy ready to role is the problem. We haven't exactly had a prime spot to draft a young qb early either. The years we suck bad enough to be that high, none there or they are gone.


I don't put the Dorsey pick on this regime, but the other two for sure better stepup the play.

Hammock Parties 07-13-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738366)
Technically they did do that with Stanzi?

Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738366)
Technically they did do that with Stanzi?


But I get what you are saying. That's more what I meant was the mistake.


Bringing in Cassel, while now we he sucks, wasn't the big problem. He did an alright job moving the ship forward while things were being figured out.


Seeing that he isn't the franchise guy and having a young guy ready to role is the problem. We haven't exactly had a prime spot to draft a young qb early either. The years we suck bad enough to be that high, none there or they are gone.


I don't put the Dorsey pick on this regime, but the other two for sure better stepup the play.

Enough with this Stanzi bullshit.

And enough with the excuses. We've had three Top-11 picks in the 4 drafts under Pioli. We've had the currency, and apparently have been unwilling to use it. People can ridicule Washington all they want, but they have a legit franchise-type guy. They are at least trying.

Go out and get a real QB.

O.city 07-13-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8738388)
Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.

Not if you know talent like Scott Pioli.

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8738388)
Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.

It's a process.

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738394)
Not if you know talent like Scott Pioli.

:spock:

They fell ass-backwards into the only decent QB they've (BB/Pioli) ever drafted.

Hell, Pioli didn't even want to draft Brady. He wanted Tim Rattay.

O.city 07-13-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8738393)
Enough with this Stanzi bullshit.

And enough with the excuses. We've had three Top-11 picks in the 4 drafts under Pioli. We've had the currency, and apparently have been unwilling to use it. People can ridicule Washington all they want, but they have a legit franchise-type guy. They are at least trying.

Go out and get a real QB.

Again, I'm fine with that. Shit I was advocating trading 4 first rounders for Luck.


With those 3 picks, where is your qb? You wanna bitch about not getting one, there hasn't been one there to get.

O.city 07-13-2012 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8738400)
:spock:

They fell ass-backwards into the only decent QB they've (BB/Pioli) ever drafted.

Hell, Pioli didn't even want to draft Brady. He wanted Tim Rattay.

Sarcastically speaking.

OnTheWarpath15 07-13-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738403)
Again, I'm fine with that. Shit I was advocating trading 4 first rounders for Luck.


With those 3 picks, where is your qb? You wanna bitch about not getting one, there hasn't been one there to get.

Then where did these other teams all get their QB's?

You have to be willing to move up, or take a risk with a guy.

We've done neither.


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