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RunKC 03-13-2014 09:47 PM

win now IMO is signing a guy like Sanders and using a draft pick to move up in from 87 to get 2 great players to be cornerstones.

mcaj22 03-13-2014 09:47 PM

we built the team through the first four days of FA last year....

but now it's overrated?

chiefzilla1501 03-13-2014 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10489367)
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that scrap heap haul from last year was special and beneficial because we were #1 in the waiver wire and Dorsey actually did his job as a GM to pluck talent from deep rosters. Something Fat Scott NEVER did. Dorsey took 7 Fat Scott players he could give a shit less about and cut them for those guys. Fat Scott would never cut 7 of his draft picks for talent from someone else's team, because he had an ego.

You seem to think this is a model we can sustain every year, I'm telling you we are not going to add 7 scrappers and subtract 7 Pioli picks every year like that off the waiver wire.

Dorsey is going to have to creative now that we are winning. We don't get a player like Marcus Cooper sitting 23rd on the waiver after training camp. You seem to think we will, I don't. That's the nature of the business.

Cooper, McGrath, and Parker were complete nobodies. It's not like these guys were known to be extremely talented, proven veterans who just couldn't make a roster. If he makes smart moves there, he can make smart moves again.

Geoff Schwartz and Akeem Jordan were < 1 million dollar players who were solid stopgaps. Anthony Sherman was a complete nobody who was traded for and became a borderline pro bowler. Abdullah, Watkins, and Rishaw Johnson were solid pickups.

That is 6 good players, and 3 backups that were brought in and they combined costed us less than $4M. That's one hell of an offseason scrap haul and most of them had nothing to do with waiver priority. That right there shows that we absolutely can repeat a good offseason picking from the scrap haul.

Mother****erJones 03-13-2014 09:52 PM

I asked Marty from SOC on Twitter about Sanders chances of signing

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof Pretty good. Andy wants him.

I asked him his guess on the mystery lineman

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof i think it's Penn from TB. Not 100%

OldSchool 03-13-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10489412)
I asked Marty from SOC on Twitter about Sanders chances of signing

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof Pretty good. Andy wants him.

I asked him his guess on the mystery lineman

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof i think it's Penn from TB. Not 100%

Holy crap if we can get Penn and he shows up in shape.

BossChief 03-13-2014 09:54 PM

Penn wasnt even released when Mitch made his comment, iirc.

Mother****erJones 03-13-2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10489417)
Penn wasnt even released when Mitch made his comment, iirc.

That's what I was thinking. But he could've had an idea....plus he's on his way to OAK IIRC

Direckshun 03-13-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10489305)
Just think how nasty this DL could be if we sign Melton and draft Donald.

Wow.

Donald
Poe
Melton

Holy crap.

It moved.

mcaj22 03-13-2014 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10489404)
Cooper, McGrath, and Parker were complete nobodies. It's not like these guys were known to be extremely talented, proven veterans who just couldn't make a roster. If he makes smart moves there, he can make smart moves again.

Geoff Schwartz and Akeem Jordan were < 1 million dollar players who were solid stopgaps. Anthony Sherman was a complete nobody who was traded for and became a borderline pro bowler. Abdullah, Watkins, and Rishaw Johnson were solid pickups.

That is 6 good players, and 3 backups that were brought in and they combined costed us less than $4M. That's one hell of an offseason scrap haul and most of them had nothing to do with waiver priority. That right there shows that we absolutely can repeat a good offseason picking from the scrap haul.

We got McGrath, Cooper, and Parker because of the waiver priority.

and to help prove my argument, from Cooper's AGENT himself:

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"And this is the part that I just want to tell you about the San Francisco 49ers. A lot of people are dogging them right now because they gave up Marcus Cooper. The truth is they had an idea, they had a plan for Coop. Clearly they didn't think he was going to explode the way he did, but they saw his talent. They saw what was possible with him and they really loved him.

ALL HE NEEDED WAS SOMEONE TO TAKE HIM UNDER HIS WING.

"They wanted to get him behind Nnamdi Asomugha and have him learn how to be a cornerback from a guy with a similar body type, a similar athletic ability, and I think that that really helped him in the preseason. I think he learned a lot.

"As you might be able to tell, he's a quick study; all he needed was someone to take him under his wing. That's what Nnamdi did there and when he got put on waivers I was kind of shocked because I thought I understood where they were going with it. They just kind of hid him in the preseason and they wanted to get him on the cheap, get him on the practice squad and try to get him to learn how to be a cornerback. I heard there were five waiver bids for him and Kansas City had the highest one. Kansas City brought him in and the rest is history."

You can call Marcus Cooper a complete nobody, but the fact is a good team like the 49ers thought they could pull a fast one, keeping a veteran on the team I'm sure they regret doing, because he retired in the middle of the year (hindsight 20/20). Baalke thought he was the smartest guy in the room and sometimes he is. But do you see the most important footnote of that quote? the part where FIVE TEAMS DID THEIR JOB AND PUT IN A WAIVER CLAIM FOR MARCUS COOPER? Or do you miss that part? because that proves we benefited from being FIRST.

And that's my point, if we are waiver claim #23 on the list, we don't get a Marcus Cooper. It becomes a lot harder to get guys like that when you are farther down the list. It's makes your "let's do the 2013 scrap haul model every year" very hard for consistent sustainability.

Iconic 03-13-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10489376)
If we take a corner he better be Revis or Sherman-esque

Is there even a corner in this draft like that? Gilbert and Dennard look nice but I don't see either falling to us.

Bowser 03-13-2014 10:02 PM

Cooper is going to be a player. The 49ers would probably take a mulligan on releasing him if they could.

chiefzilla1501 03-13-2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10489427)
We got McGrath, Cooper, and Parker because of the waiver priority.

and to help prove my argument, from Cooper's AGENT himself:



You can call Marcus Cooper a complete nobody, but the fact is a good team like the 49ers thought they could pull a fast one, keeping a veteran on the team I'm sure they regret doing, because he retired in the middle of the year (hindsight 20/20). Baalke thought he was the smartest guy in the room and sometimes he is. But do you see the most important footnote of that quote? the part where FIVE TEAMS DID THEIR JOB AND PUT IN A WAIVER CLAIM FOR MARCUS COOPER? Or do you miss that part? because that proves we benefited from being FIRST.

And that's my point, if we are waiver claim #23 on the list, we don't get a Marcus Cooper. It becomes a lot harder to get guys like that when you are farther down the list. It's makes your "let's do the 2013 scrap haul model every year" very hard for consistent sustainability.

251 teams in 2013 passed on Marcus Cooper in the draft
The entire NFL passed on Sean McGrath in 2012
Ron Parker was cut 5 times

We are not talking about veteran free agents who were surefire starters. We are talking about unproven guys who were not good enough to make a roster, and who were not good enough to warrant even a bad draft pick.

The fact that you say Dorsey merely "did his job" as if it's easy to pull roster cut guys and turn them into starters is an unbelievable underestimation of what he did. It's great scouting. And you still have not addressed the fact that Jordan, Schwartz, Abdullah, Sherman (via trade), and potentially Watkins and/or Rishaw Johnson also ended up being very solid scrap heap pickups. I'm guessing these guys were brought in because of waiver priority.

mcaj22 03-13-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10489454)
251 teams in 2013 passed on Marcus Cooper in the draft
The entire NFL passed on Sean McGrath in 2012
Ron Parker was cut 5 times

We are not talking about veteran free agents who were surefire starters. We are talking about unproven guys who were not good enough to make a roster, and who were not good enough to warrant even a bad draft pick.

The fact that you say Dorsey merely "did his job" as if it's easy to pull roster cut guys and turn them into starters is an unbelievable underestimation of what he did. It's great scouting. And you still have not addressed the fact that Jordan, Schwartz, Abdullah, Sherman (via trade), and potentially Watkins and/or Rishaw Johnson also ended up being very solid scrap heap pickups. I'm guessing these guys were brought in because of waiver priority.

Watkins - 5th round pick
Sherman - 5th round pick (Who was a special teams captain in Arizona, but you make him seem like he was some scrub there, no he was the same ****ing FB that was on the Chiefs. Benefits from the WCO whereas Arians doesn't use a FB)
Akeem Jordan - Andy Reid, the end
Adbullah - established player who took a year off that they jumped at first. This is just about them doing their job, correctly and being very organized to the fact that they could get a good young player cheap coming off a religious sabbatical, you make it seem like this dude was a scrub on the Vikings.
Schwartz - in case you were living under a rock, Fat Scott also wanted Geoff Schwartz the year prior when he signed with Minnesota, but Fat Scott being Fat Scott didn't get him. Andy Reid being Andy Reid, gets his guy.

as for the rest, it was John Dorsey being a GM and watching the numbers game from Seattle. Whoever Seattle cut he wanted, because he knew that talent was going to leave that team simply by roster bubbles, because they are the DEEPEST ****ING TEAM IN THE NFL THAT WON THE GOD DAMN ****ING SUPER BOWL. THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO COPY. That players 54-61 on Seattle were better than players 46-53 on the Chiefs. No shit they were. Does it take a rocket scientist to figure that one out? No it takes a GM other than Fat Scott to figure it out.

We won't be there first to reap the benefits of Seattle's cuts every year, is my point. You seem to think we will, so let's see who ends up right this year.


It's like you were so invested in Scott Pioli being awful that you think a normal GM doing an actual GM's job is some sort of god send. I understand why you would think that, but this is what normal GMs and coaches do. (hint: which is why there isn't many of them in the NFL.). These guys aren't scrubs in the sense of that they are complete nobodies, most them were scouted ten times over and drafted. Some of them victim of the numbers game by a team much better than the Chiefs. How dare Dorsey take advantage of that.

But you think this is some sustained model. That we can hold out the tip can and wait for whatever the 49ers and Seattle cut every year and reap the benefits. I'm telling you that it is harder than it looks.

Saccopoo 03-13-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10489436)
Is there even a corner in this draft like that? Gilbert and Dennard look nice but I don't see either falling to us.

Keith McGill, Utah

BossChief 03-13-2014 10:37 PM

I wish I had a dime for every time Sac pimped some slapdick from Utah (I don't know anything about this guy, just saying)


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