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LoneWolf 07-10-2023 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 17010665)
Just a warm up for when the people get to pay for a new Royals Stadium. Hard to believe these clowns continue to get elected because nobody goes to vote them out. Gotta pay for all the stuff done before the Draft and now getting ready for a soccer game.

Tax revenues generated during the draft should have dwarfed whatever was spent to get ready to host it. The same goes for the World Cup games.

Gravedigger 07-10-2023 07:36 AM

Here's the problem with corporate greed. After a year plus of people selling houses at over-inflated prices because it's a seller's market, mixed with inflation in that market and a ridiculously high interest rate, you get the run-off going to people who didn't sell their houses during that time to pay for the companies who told the people their houses were worth $100k more than what they were this time last year. Eventually Uncle Sam is going to get his.

We bought our house for $340k in 2020, in the last year someone told us it was worth $452k all of a sudden and at that particular time we probably should've sold, but now it's worth $472k on Zillow and $495k through Bank of America's estimator. I haven't changed anything in that house, haven't even painted the walls, same kinda gross carpet that needs to be replaced, same boring beige colors that we just settle with, but everything is the same, just added a fence and replaced a garbage disposal that was leaking, but some idiot now says my house is worth $100k more plus than what it was almost three years ago. Someone got rich off new loans, with high as hell interest rates, off existing property by creating a demand and driving up home buying during and after the pandemic. Just another scheme to come out of that time period that some margin of people get screwed out on. Banks, lenders, mortgage companies, whoever you want to blame, follow the money and you'll see who really screwed you over. The stupidest argument I've heard yet is someone saying, "Well the supply chain and building material costs going up." On an already built house? Where the only thing to sign a terrible new loan that you need is paperwork, people's time and a pen? I love how we don't know who is really screwing us, or they're such good con-artists they made sure they could get away with it without legal repercussions. As soon as they told me what my house was worth, I'm like, "That's not right." If it's too good to be true, it always is. Members of congress, Republican or Democrat, and news outlets, you want to actually get a win for the American people, unearth this scheme and where that money is going.

Woogieman 07-10-2023 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 17010708)
Here's the problem with corporate greed. After a year plus of people selling houses at over-inflated prices because it's a seller's market, mixed with inflation in that market and a ridiculously high interest rate, you get the run-off going to people who didn't sell their houses during that time to pay for the companies who told the people their houses were worth $100k more than what they were this time last year. Eventually Uncle Sam is going to get his.

We bought our house for $340k in 2020, in the last year someone told us it was worth $452k all of a sudden and at that particular time we probably should've sold, but now it's worth $472k on Zillow and $495k through Bank of America's estimator. I haven't changed anything in that house, haven't even painted the walls, same kinda gross carpet that needs to be replaced, same boring beige colors that we just settle with, but everything is the same, just added a fence and replaced a garbage disposal that was leaking, but some idiot now says my house is worth $100k more plus than what it was almost three years ago. Someone got rich off new loans, with high as hell interest rates, off existing property by creating a demand and driving up home buying during and after the pandemic. Just another scheme to come out of that time period that some margin of people get screwed out on. Banks, lenders, mortgage companies, whoever you want to blame, follow the money and you'll see who really screwed you over. The stupidest argument I've heard yet is someone saying, "Well the supply chain and building material costs going up." On an already built house? Where the only thing to sign a terrible new loan that you need is paperwork, people's time and a pen? I love how we don't know who is really screwing us, or they're such good con-artists they made sure they could get away with it without legal repercussions. As soon as they told me what my house was worth, I'm like, "That's not right." If it's too good to be true, it always is. Members of congress, Republican or Democrat, and news outlets, you want to actually get a win for the American people, unearth this scheme and where that money is going.

Supply chain issues, higher quallity, low rates , and labor shortages drove up the price of new construction. The inability to afford a new home forced 1st and 2nd time homeowners back into older neighborhoods, so DEMAND, not materials forced the prices of existing homes up as well as new. The only way most buyers could tolerate older homes was to completely renovate them into "farmhouse/industrial", and that is where materials and labor shortages showed up in existing neighborhoods for thos unable to do the work themselves. As far as "ridiculous interest rates" go, in the 90s when I originated my first loan, rates were at 9%, but around 1981, my parents were both in the mortgage business and rates hit 18.63% for 30-yr conventional...sort of redefines "ridiculous".

Hammock Parties 07-10-2023 08:46 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many at Saturday&#39;s protest said they have started the appeals process but that it’s simply not enough to fix the larger issue. <a href="https://t.co/kEeiNRLMhO">https://t.co/kEeiNRLMhO</a></p>&mdash; KCTV5 News (@KCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5/status/1678045105171603458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jackson County homeowners gather for protest on property tax assessments

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (KCTV) - Jackson County homeowners, beyond frustrated with their property tax assessments gathered at the courthouse Downtown to protest, Saturday morning.

Many said they have started the appeals process but that it’s simply not enough to fix the larger issue.

“We don’t need any more lies; we need to be faced with the truth,” said one supporter.

Homeowners saw a sharp increase in their property values, which in turn meant higher taxes. And although the average increase from the county assessment was around 30 percent, many residents said theirs went up well above that.

“My property went up 75 percent from what it was in 2021,” said one homeowner.

“It went 115 percent up. It’s disgusting because we don’t even know where that money is going,” said another.

These homeowners are not only seeing an alarmingly large increase, they said they are also seeing inequalities throughout their community, as well.

“I live in eastern Jackson County, and I’m being taxed higher than half or two-thirds of the people in Lee’s Summit and they have parks and recreation, they have more libraries, they have more things that are paid for supposedly by the taxes that we’re paying,” said a frustrated homeowner.

“There’s someone behind us that went up 80 percent someone in the neighborhood a little mile down here’s only went up $200. So, there’s huge inequalities,” explained another.

Some homeowners said they’re worried about affording their homes after the assessments and are even more concerned about where the tax money is going.

“People can hardly afford gas and eggs and if they can’t afford gas and eggs then they certainly can’t afford a tax increase of hundreds of dollars per month,” said the homeowner.

“We’ve had our taxes more than doubled, I know a lot of folks are in a similar situation, nobody should have to lose their house because the government is taking our money and spending it god knows where,” said another in agreement.

On Friday, Jackson County extended the deadline for property owners to appeal their assessments to July 31st, three weeks after the original deadline, which was on Monday.

“It’s a start but appealing isn’t enough,” said a homeowner.

Jackson County Legislator Manny Abarca was vocal at the protest and said the extension is a hopeful sign that they are gaining momentum.

“Appeal your taxes, make sure you have your information, do the informal, if you disagree with that go to the state tax commission. Those are the only paths right now that provide a change to your bill,” said Abarca.

The Board of Equalization will continue to hear appeals until the end of August. You must start that appeals process by the end of July.

LoneWolf 07-10-2023 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17010767)
Video at link

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many at Saturday&#39;s protest said they have started the appeals process but that it’s simply not enough to fix the larger issue. <a href="https://t.co/kEeiNRLMhO">https://t.co/kEeiNRLMhO</a></p>&mdash; KCTV5 News (@KCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5/status/1678045105171603458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jackson County homeowners gather for protest on property tax assessments

Hey dumbasses, you don’t have shit in your neighborhoods because you’ve been paying dick for taxes for years. It’s not rocket surgery.

Woogieman 07-10-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010798)
Hey dumbasses, you don’t have shit in your neighborhoods because you’ve been paying dick for taxes for years. It’s not rocket surgery.

What does "you don't have shit in your neighborhoods" mean? Are you suggesting that every homeowner has a desire for tennis courts, walking trails, and off-leash dog parks? Exactly how many thousands of dollars year do you feel is the right amount of property taxes?

stevieray 07-10-2023 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010238)
Let me see if i can explain this in a way you understand. Let’s say my great grandfather was in Paris in the early 1900s and bought a painting for $20 off of a young artist named Pablo Picasso. He hangs that painting in his house and it hangs in his home until his death when it is passed on to his son. One day someone notices the name of the artist on the painting and the family has the painting appraised. The painting is appraised at 1.5 million and identified as from Picasso’s blue period. The family holds onto the painting and several years later they put the painting up for auction where it sells for 22 million. Should the family refuse that money and sell the painting for whatever $20 would be valued at considering inflation or should they only accept 1.5 million which was the original appraisal amount?

Supply and demand set values and prices in a free market economy. By definition that means they aren’t overvalued/overpriced.

Yes, they are overpriced. Know one of the reasons why?

What percentage of homes being built are starter homes for young couples.? Next to nothing.

A buddy of mine was the Super on building a subdivision South of the city, for a company owned by Blackrock. They aren't for sale, they're for rent...at $2500 a pop.


Land doesn't go up in value, but greed does.

Bearcat 07-10-2023 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010238)

Supply and demand set values and prices in a free market economy. By definition that means they aren’t overvalued/overpriced.

I'd say the one thing that ****s it up is the amount of money banks are willing to throw at people, which drives up the number of people looking in a certain price range, which in turn ****s with demand.

Yeah, on a 25 year old $150k home, I bet inflation alone moves the needle well over $200k if not $250+, much less market demand... and as you said, the house is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

Yet, many people may not be willing to pay $350k until someone who's supposed to know what the hell they're talking about tells them oh, you can afford way more house than $275! And suddenly they're trying to outbid 5 other people who should also never be looking in that price range.

(unlike Arizona where rich California assholes offer cash way over the asking price, and drive up prices. :cuss: )

LoneWolf 07-10-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 17010836)
Yes, they are overpriced. Know one of the reasons why?

What percentage of homes being built are starter homes for young couples.? Next to nothing.

A buddy of mine was the Super on building a subdivision South of the city, for a company owned by Blackrock. They aren't for sale, they're for rent...at $2500 a pop.


Land doesn't go up in value, but greed does.

Land doesn’t go up in value might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here. Land is a finite resource. As supply shrinks, prices/value increases. It’s almost like you’ve never studied economics.

LoneWolf 07-10-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 17010815)
What does "you don't have shit in your neighborhoods" mean? Are you suggesting that every homeowner has a desire for tennis courts, walking trails, and off-leash dog parks? Exactly how many thousands of dollars year do you feel is the right amount of property taxes?

Read the article. That’s what they are bitching about.

lewdog 07-10-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 17010836)

Land doesn't go up in value, but greed does.

I’d like to commission an art piece from you.

I want to pay your 1992 rates you charge.

Thank you.

penguinz 07-10-2023 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010905)
Land doesn’t go up in value might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here. Land is a finite resource. As supply shrinks, prices/value increases. It’s almost like you’ve never studied economics.

Stevie is stuck in 1972.

Woogieman 07-10-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010909)
Read the article. That’s what they are bitching about.

I see...I thought was the same article from last week. That was one person's quote, that hardly represents the crux of the matter or the sentiments of Jackson County residents as a whole.

HonestChieffan 07-10-2023 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17010669)
Tax revenues generated during the draft should have dwarfed whatever was spent to get ready to host it. The same goes for the World Cup games.

so they say.

Titty Meat 07-10-2023 10:42 AM

I'll be at the next protest with my let's go Brandon shirt


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