Yes, that and the biased officiating was the difference.

If every team got to go over the back every other play like Worthless Withey, their defense would probably be better too.

Bob Knight is still laughing at Ty Turnover's pushoff.

Go easy on them easyb81. I'm sure if the Beakers would have lost, there wouldn't have been a word said about the officiating.

I was talking about your seeming inability to understand how KSU could possibly be so bad on the offensive end against KU when they curb-stomped MU with such ease. The difference is that you guys have a shitty defense and KU has an incredibly good defense. And as far as Bob Knight goes, he's known to say a lot of stupid shit (like saying KU goes 9 deep and that there's nobody better in the country at scoring transition points LMAO).

KSU has clearly regressed as the season has gone along, so that's the first aspect that needs to be considered. KSU is absolutely inept on offense right now. It's hilarious that you thump your chest over ku's defense in that game - did you even watch?

They just try to throw it at the basket and box out in hopes of getting second chance points off rebounds. They would look terrible on offense against any other team in the Big 12. And despite KSU's awful offense and getting some absolutely ridiculous calls (7-10 point swing at minimum), you guys still almost gave the guy away with Tyshawn pissing down his leg.

Frank Martin called it a Flop and was pissed that Rodriguez threw himself to the floor to try and get a charge called instead of playing defense another couple of seconds.. The officiating was not great unless you don’t mind a nasty muddy game like KSU likes to play but, to claim it biased for KU, at Manhattan, really? KU had 18 PF KSU had 16. When MU played KU it was 20-10 in MU’s favor. In neither case did the officiating determine the outcome of the game. MU has an excellent team this year all they need to do is go win the rest of their games and the conference championship is in their pocket. KU has that same opportunity. What could be better.

Yeah, I watched the game. The first half was the best defensive showing by KU all season long. And look, I'm not trying to thump my chest, it's just a fact that KU has the best D and MU has the worst D and I was simply trying to help you understand. Your juvenile stabs at Tyshawn (currently the best PG in the B12 conference) are not making you look any smarter.

Frank Martin knows better than to call out the Big 12 refs that are in ku's back pocket. He knows his role.

The ESPN analysts calling the game are as objective as you can get and they were over the top in their criticism of the calls ku got.

Actually that isn't a fact. According to kenpom Mizzou has the 6th best defense in the Big 12, which we combine with the best offense in the country.

Tyshawn couldn't even make the top 20 list of the best PGs in the country without ku getting on their knees and begging. How embarrassing. Guess who got on without having to beg? Flip Pressey. And Dixon might be better than him.

Sounds like MU shouldn’t bother to show up in Lawrence. Probably get calls 2-1 in their favor. Actually most teams try to foul KU because it is part of their recruiting process to get as many guys that can’t hit a free throw as possible. It has been that way for 30 years. Haith must have some pics of Bobby with farm animals or something. Never and I mean never have I seen Knight have this kind of love for any other human much less another coach. Not that I disagree that Haith has done an excellent job but, we might need to have a little larger sample size than one year with Anderson’s players. I do realize the following statement is mean but, Quinn started off pretty strong once upon a time too

Opp FG% (bolded to make it easier for you to understand):

1. Kansas
2. Texas A&M
3. Kansas State
4. Baylor
5. Texas
6. Texas Tech
7. Oklahoma State
8. Iowa State
9. Oklahoma
10. Missouri

And this is with MU playing pretty much the easiest non-con schedule in the country.LMAO

Opponent FG % is not a proxy for best defense you nitwit. It is one specific defensive metric. For instance, it wouldn't matter if a team had a terrible opponent FG % if they combined that 50 steals a game.

You really are a moron aren't you?

As ignorant as the Tyshawn Turnover nickname is (considering he's one of the best guards in the country), at least I get it. He's a turnover-prone guard at times.

But Worthless Withey? The guy that's been completely dominating basketball games for KU over the last few weeks? The guy who has turned himself from a complete scrub in the matter of a few months to one of the best defensive and efficient bigs in the country (and a likely future 1st round pick)? Try harder.

No reason to call names, man, I'm just trying to help you understand these things. This is why KSU handled you and only scored 18 on us in the 1st half.

He's done pretty well against teams not named Mizzou.

I like Worthless Withey. He was pretty worthless when he played Mizzou. I'll consider changing the name if he shows up in the second game.

As recently as Saturday, KenPom also listed Tyshawn Taylor has one of his top 10 best statistical players in the country. Not just guards, but players.

Know your sources.

Can you imagine if he decided to show up in that game? You guys would have been blown out in your own place.

I'd love to know how a poor performance in a single game changes anything I said about his tremendous progression as a player and his otherwise consistent production.

There is nothing worthless about him. If he stays around next year, his presence alone will assure that KU's defense will be elite again.

So do you now understand why opponent FG % is not a pure comparison to true defensive ranking, or are you finally conceding the argument?

It is actually shocking you allowed 50+ points to that Ecokat team. I don't think they had a gameplan other than throw it up and try to get a quick putback. They have significantly regressed over the last month or so.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Withey does well against middle of the pack teams but Self knew he couldn't guard English. I don't see any reason why that will change in the second game.

I don't think he wants to imagine a KU team with three major difference makers. Two was enough to beat them on the road before Denmon stepped in to save the day (with an assist from the refs).

Speaking of refs, hopefully the crew that worked last night's game doesn't show up for the game in Lawrence. The Miami Heat would have trouble beating ku when the refs are blatantly ignoring pushoffs, over the backs, and obvious technicals like they did last night.

Obviously the Big 12 will want ku to win the game, but at least attempt to keep it from being too obvious for the sake of the sport.

KU will get their fair share of calls at AFH. I don't think you have to worry about that.

So do you think it will be blatant in Lawrence, like calling the fouls 2-1 for the home team?

The big mean refs and the Big 12 jerks are on KU's side... the excuses are already rolling in. Kansas might not even need any miracle 3s or their A+++ game. LMAO

Keep in mind that Notre Dame and Cal weren't booked as easy games until MU stomped them afterwards. Was it Duke and Kentucky? No. But going into the start of the schedule, it wasn't looked at as easy wins.

Always so cute to see a KU fan talk about light non-conference schedules.

How's that Fruit Basket doing? LMAO

MU's nonconference strength of schedule according to KenPom was 312th out of 345 teams. The crazy thing is that wasn't even the worst in the B12. Texas Tech and Texas A&M were 337th and 340th respectively. Who were those two scheduling exactly, the School for the Deaf and Blind? LMAO

Is that where Lew Perkins works now?

Davidson was, like, an awesome 10 seed. They really should've been a #1 that year or something.

I'm so glad KU scheduled them for the tourney that year. :spock:

And I don't know what part of "they came within one basket of beating the top 3 seeds in their region" is so hard to understand. :harumph:

KU lost to Davidson at home.

So just stop when you wanna give shit about non-con schedule.


You may have something to talk about playing Kentucky and Duke, but you LOST those games as well.

OSU was minus one of the top players in the country, so that win contains an *.

Forgive Missouri fans if they are unimpressed with Withey. He was hilariously inept in Columbia.

They did?

You think Sprint center was filled with Davidson fans? rofl

Davidson was 100 in kenpom before playing KU. Playing Davidson would have pulled MU's SoS just under 300. Playing a bunch of Kennesaw States is pointless.

If Missouri had a defensive presence like Withey, they would be the best team in the country over Kentucky. As it stands, their subpar defense is a significant weakness of that team. One that could end up costing them against the best.

Withey is lanky goon.

There's nothing to concede, MU has a terrible ****ing defense, and KU has another top 5 D (seems like we do every single year). Kansas allows 61.2 points per game, MU allows 64 points per game (at 43.4 FG% LMAO).

There's really no reason to even argue this. I have no idea why you keep doing it.

There's no reason to argue anything... because everything is opinion.
Opinions differ based on bias.

At that end of the NCAA tourney is where the talking should begin; and even at that there are too many "What if's?"

Well, they did beat the #2 seed and then DEMOLISHED the #3 seed Wisconsin on their way to lose to Kansas, but don't let get facts get in your way or anything, by all means, carry on.

42.4FG% allowed is not an opinion. Neither is 64PPG.

8.8 and 7.5 aren't opinions either. Those are steals per game for MU and KU respectively. MU also has about the 4th highest turnover margin in the country. I don't know what KU is because they aren't in the top 50 on the NCAA website. Yeah, MU doesn't play defense at all.
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They really don't.

http://kenpom.com/

Check out the defensive ratings there (AdjD). Missouri isn't impressive at all, but Duke is even worse.

Hmmm, Kansas is #4, MU is #49? That's better than I thought they were. They're just a little pathetic on D, and not completely inept like I thought.

It would appear so. And I don't believe stats have an agenda.

I don't know much about those ratings. What does adj o mean? What does that "1" mean next to Missouri for that category? That's probably not good right?
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Missouri's defense definitely struggles in terms of FG percentage, due to the lack of size.

Being forced to double-team in the post creates a lot of open perimeter shots for opposing teams. If you don't double-team, you open up to a lot of high percentage shots for the guy English is guarding (either from English playing behind him or trying to front him). Fronting is dangerous because you still have to commit help over the top.

The Tigers' FG percentage D does not tell the entire story. They make up in part for their size deficiency by winning the turnover battle by a significant margin (6 TO/game). That's why Mizzou's adjusted defensive ranking is in the top 50 rather than top 200 it's pure FG percentage numbers show.

I'm not sure how the guys that do those efficiency rankings, but it makes sense that they rank Mizzou around 50. If you consider the +6 turnover a game as 6 missed baskets, that adjusts Mizzou's FG percentage D into the 39 percent range, which would rank in the top 50.

Having a big shot-blocker at the back end who can also help on the glass would be really helpful as well. Bowers is that type of player (he's not Anthony Davis, but he is a talented shot-blocker and decent rebounder), but obviously he's not a factor this year...

What really hurts is not having Tony Mitchell. His defensive prowess (and flexibility) would really fill a lot of defensive holes, especially against athletic 3 men (who have consistently killed Mizzou).

Nobody said MU couldn't score with anybody.

That means MU has the best offense in the country p/Kenpom. That was never a point of contention. Denmon ripped KU a new asshole all by himself in the last meeting.

Too bad you guys don't have the number 3 defense then. You might have won that game.
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Right. Right.

It's not like they put extreme pressure on ballhandlers when they're trying to make entry passes ... or work really hard and fight for position defensively ... or have a 6-5 wing who kills himself on defense to defend bigger posts.

Ask Jeff Withey if Kim English plays defense.

Yeah, snatching that loss from the jaws of victory kind of sucked. Hopefully we can do better on the 25th.

Do those rankings factor in drawing charges?

I want to see the Adj hc (home cookin') rankings
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ROFL

Should be reflected in the turnover rankings, so yeah.

I noticed it a couple of weeks ago; Mizzou's defense is certainly a bit of a weak point. They simply have to work too hard to defend the interior to maintain perfect responsibility on the perimeter.

That said - Pants remains full of shit. His squad gives up a whopping 3 points fewer/gm than ours does and suddenly Mizzou is dogshit.

Mizzou has a pretty average defensive team that gets that way through an incredibly unconventional manner. Duncan pretty much covered the absurdity of Pants position, so I'll leave it at that.

Just remember - they don't care about Mizzou.

SDSU.

Finally San Diego has a team worth rooting for.

Or "The Big 12 will be a better conference without MU.

That's all that really needs to be said.

The guy tries so hard to be a Wickeddumb clone.

Men's Health article on Mizzou:

http://news.menshealth.com/missouri-...HNews-_-Tigers

While our defense is a rather weak spot I think we do a good job of forcing turnovers. We don't block a lot of shots but we sure seem to make shots difficult. I mean we held Withey to 0 points. Granted T-Rob took it to us in the 2nd half.

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So, let me get this straight...the difference between the best defense in the conference and Mizzou is less than three points per game? Given that Mizzou wins the turnover battle, and generates more points off of turnovers than their opponents, I can live with that.

Not Mizzou related but I had to post it somewhere.

LMAO

http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/...3-standard.jpg

Lierally, ROFL

Ha thats funny

Revenge game tonight?

I will say MU by 22.

Roll Tide, mother****ers.

ESPN giving Mizzou and Haith some love on the front page:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball

And the football team was on the side 'lead' last week (whatever that little box in the top corner of the front page is).

But Wickedson assures me that MU has never been and will never be nationally relevant.

Oh yeah - and they don't care.

Wickedson's pretty sharp.

Yeah, sharp as a marble.

Does the Big 12's ex have battered woman syndrome? It's definitely a strange definition of caring.

:$2500: /only because I care

We should have a challenge to see who cares the least.

Someone without nearly 150 posts in a Mizzou thread?

Well, I didn't say I'd win. I'm an all-around college basketball fan and watch many MU games (in addition to plenty of other teams).