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gblowfish 06-20-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7706020)
But at least we win the Cactus League every year!

David Glass is in to the Texas League. That's where his hometown team plays.

BigCatDaddy 06-20-2011 08:45 AM

Too early to call the Grienke trade a big win? Probably, but it sure is looking good as this point.

Saul Good 06-20-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7706199)
Too early to call the Grienke trade a big win? Probably, but it sure is looking good as this point.

Its hard to say, but Zach's ERA is 5.23. He is winning games, but he's actually slightly below replacement level so far this year for the first time ever. Even when he lost 17 games in 2005, he was slightly. Above replacement level.

BigCatDaddy 06-20-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7706217)
Its hard to say, but Zach's ERA is 5.23. He is winning games, but he's actually slightly below replacement level so far this year for the first time ever. Even when he lost 17 games in 2005, he was slightly. Above replacement level.

Right. Escobar looks like a solid piece of the puzzle now that he is starting to do some work with the bat. Cain and Odorizzi are also looking pretty solid in the minors right now. Jeffress is looking like the only piece of suckage, but he really has the lowest upside in helping the team anyways as a reliever so if anyone of the four were to bomb I would hope it to be him.

gblowfish 06-20-2011 09:11 AM

Jury is still out on Escobar's bat. He's had a phenomenal two week stretch. He may be the classic streak hitter. I think realistically he ends up this year hitting around .225 to .230. I don't think he'll get below .200 again, but he's not going to hit over .250 this year. Maybe next year.

BigCatDaddy 06-20-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7706241)
Jury is still out on Escobar's bat. He's had a phenomenal two week stretch. He may be the classic streak hitter. I think realistically he ends up this year hitting around .225 to .230. I don't think he'll get below .200 again, but he's not going to hit over .250 this year. Maybe next year.

You might be right, but I think the fact that he made some type of adjustment and then started hitting all of a sudden indicates it might be something more permanent then just a hot streak. He will probably feast on September call up pitching so I think he hits 260-270 this year.

KevB 06-20-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7706004)
I think we're about to reach the part of the season where people will start to turn on the young guys.

Maybe, you know it's coming at some point. It was probably inevitable with all of the hype. Expectations were/are too high, especially early on.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 09:49 AM

the one thing that is good is ususally with the all glove no bat type of players you don't just see a 400 foot homerun. So atleast the bat speed is there.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 09:55 AM

do we have stretch where we play the tigers like 10 times in a row? It always seems like we hit a point with the a club in the division where it is hot, the team has been losing, and the royals quit and start looking forward to the end of the season.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 09:57 AM

I don't think we trade Hosmer, but if we could get quality Starting pitching out a trade we could be ok at first with Billy.

Saul Good 06-20-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7706241)
Jury is still out on Escobar's bat. He's had a phenomenal two week stretch. He may be the classic streak hitter. I think realistically he ends up this year hitting around .225 to .230. I don't think he'll get below .200 again, but he's not going to hit over .250 this year. Maybe next year.

I'll take the over on .230 for Escobar. I think he's .240 - .260 when its all said and done. I've said all year that I see potential in his swing and that he needs a heavier bat. I don't know if he is using a heavier bat, but he's shortened his swing and started hitting the opposite way while increasing his power. Sounds like a heavier bat to me.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 10:00 AM

Heavier bat LMAO LMAO. That could very well be the case, but it reminds me of something that a little league coach would do. I don't know nothing about swings but what it looks to me is you need a heavier bat.

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7706292)
I don't think we trade Hosmer, but if we could get quality Starting pitching out a trade we could be ok at first with Billy.

I think it's kind of a double edged sword. If you trade your "foundation" type players and better hitters for better pitching, then you've gotten better pitching and less offense to support that better pitching. So you can go from losing 8-6 to losing 3-2.

Personally at this point I wouldn't trade Hosmer/Moustakas/Escobar for anything really... except maybe Halliday or Lincicum and that's not happening. Those guys are your foundation now, it's what you drafted and built the minors for and what you traded Greinke for, so imo you have to give them the time they need to prove you made the right decisions or the wrong ones. Otherwise you're just chasing your tail without giving "the process" time to work. It'll be a never-ending cycle if you do those things imo.

Yes we need more pitching... but I think you have to be careful who you're willing to part with and who you're not. Are you building and believing in the foundation you have or are you just helping one area of need by hurting the other?

Just my 2 cents.

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7706299)
Heavier bat LMAO LMAO. That could very well be the case, but it reminds me of something that a little league coach would do. I don't know nothing about swings but what it looks to me is you need a heavier bat.

A heavier bat will slow down your swing just enough that you'll be a fraction later through the hitting zone, which will help you hit more to the opposite field instead of pulling everything. It'll also add a little punch when you make contact (as long as it's not so heavy you give up tooooo much bat speed) and help you hit balls farther. Sometimes it's that simple.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by noonan (Post 7706306)
I think it's kind of a double edged sword. If you trade your "foundation" type players and better hitters for better pitching, then you've gotten better pitching and less offense to support that better pitching. So you can go from losing 8-6 to losing 3-2.

Personally at this point I wouldn't trade Hosmer/Moustakas/Escobar for anything really... except maybe Halliday or Lincicum and that's not happening. Those guys are your foundation now, it's what you drafted and built the minors for and what you traded Greinke for, so imo you have to give them the time they need to prove you made the right decisions or the wrong ones. Otherwise you're just chasing your tail without giving "the process" time to work. It'll be a never-ending cycle if you do those things imo.

Yes we need more pitching... but I think you have to be careful who you're willing to part with and who you're not. Are you building and believing in the foundation you have or are you just helping one area of need by hurting the other?

Just my 2 cents.

word, I personally just see the pitching to being so bad right now, they are going to have to trade talent to get talent.


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