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Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7706314)
word, I personally just see the pitching to being so bad right now, they are going to have to trade talent to get talent.

Definately have to trade talent to get talent, I'd just try to package some players who aren't as part of your future as the guys I mentioned, or go with minor leaguers or a combination. If that's doesn't get deals done and better pitching in though then you have tough decisions to make.

Saul Good 06-20-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by noonan (Post 7706311)
A heavier bat will slow down your swing just enough that you'll be a fraction later through the hitting zone, which will help you hit more to the opposite field instead of pulling everything. It'll also add a little punch when you make contact (as long as it's not so heavy you give up tooooo much bat speed) and help you hit balls farther. Sometimes it's that simple.

There were so many times that he would put a smooth, athletic swing on the ball and it would look like he hit it with a yardstick. He generated more than enough bat speed, but it never transfered into power.

noa 06-20-2011 10:29 AM

If our young pitchers really don't pan out, but we have the hitting in place, the team will probably turn to the FA market and be willing to spend a lot to bring in some solid pitching. I think everyone knew that pitching was going to be horrendous this year and that it wouldn't get better any time soon.
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Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7706319)
There were so many times that he would put a smooth, athletic swing on the ball and it would look like he hit it with a yardstick. He generated more than enough bat speed, but it never transfered into power.

True. A heavier bat could be the difference. Be great if the fix was that simple.

eazyb81 06-20-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by noa (Post 7706322)
If our young pitchers really don't pan out, but we have the hitting in place, the team will probably turn to the FA market and be willing to spend a lot to bring in some solid pitching. I think everyone knew that pitching was going to be horrendous this year and that it wouldn't get better any time soon.
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Moore has openly admitted that we can't afford any top level pitchers on the free agent market, so we have to develop our own.

Following that logic, if we don't develop our own, we are SOL.

gblowfish 06-20-2011 10:37 AM

The Yanks, Phillies, Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs and Angels are looking at our youth movement and drooling, because they know they'll be getting them in 2014.

noa 06-20-2011 10:47 AM

I think if we are lacking everything but pitching, they will spend. Moore had to justify why the royals are taking this long, slow path, so pointing to expenses helps. Plus I don't think it would take that much. Of our prospects, some will at least be a solid #2 or #3, so even if none turns out to be an ace, we probably won't need to buy 5 starting pitchers.

Demonpenz 06-20-2011 11:13 AM

Soriano uses a giagantic bat.

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by noa (Post 7706341)
I think if we are lacking everything but pitching, they will spend. Moore had to justify why the royals are taking this long, slow path, so pointing to expenses helps. Plus I don't think it would take that much. Of our prospects, some will at least be a solid #2 or #3, so even if none turns out to be an ace, we probably won't need to buy 5 starting pitchers.

I agree with this and think you're right that they'll spend... not a ton, but hopefully enough. It seems I read somewhere that Moore had said we could but I may be mistaken. Maybe I read it on here. (which isn't why I'm saying I could be mistaken that part's just coincidence.)

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7706373)
Soriano uses a giagantic bat.

Yes, and hits some pretty gigantic home runs, especially for a guy his size. Makes me wonder how much that bat weights or if he's just got really strong forearms and shoulders to get his quick bat speed. He's really good at turning into a pitch too.

BigCatDaddy 06-20-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7706326)
Moore has openly admitted that we can't afford any top level pitchers on the free agent market, so we have to develop our own.

Following that logic, if we don't develop our own, we are SOL.

I thought he said they in the future any free agent dollars would be spent on top of the rotation guys and middle of the lineup bats. The revamped minor league system would eliminate/greatly reduce having to go spend money on relievers and avg vet position players.

eazyb81 06-20-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7706392)
I thought he said they in the future any free agent dollars would be spent on top of the rotation guys and middle of the lineup bats. The revamped minor league system would eliminate/greatly reduce having to go spend money on relievers and avg vet position players.

No, he specifically said in a very recent interview that KC will never be able to acquire top of the rotation pitchers on the free agent market, so we must develop them ourselves. That is almost verbatim.

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-20-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7706392)
I thought he said they in the future any free agent dollars would be spent on top of the rotation guys and middle of the lineup bats. The revamped minor league system would eliminate/greatly reduce having to go spend money on relievers and avg vet position players.

Good, I'm not the only one believing this was said.

jbwm89 06-20-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7706396)
No, he specifically said in a very recent interview that KC will never be able to acquire top of the rotation pitchers on the free agent market, so we must develop them ourselves. That is almost verbatim.

Top of the rotation pitchers on the FA market hardly ever exist and when they do we are not talking big money we are talking the Yankees/Phils/Sox are the only teams that have a shot money.

Are we ever going to sign a Roy Halladay for a bajillion dollars? no

does that mean we will continue to only sign Bruce Chen and Kyle francis type guys, not necessarily.

And on the trade hosmer/moose/escobar thing, absolutely not, not for a pitcher.

Butler/Gordan/I'd even say Myers/anyone else on the team. Trade away for good SP in a heartbeat.

gblowfish 06-20-2011 11:59 AM

We traded pitching (Greinke) for Escobar (ss) and Cain (eventual CF). Greinke was not a team guy, or good for team chemistry.

So, if you're going to trade starting pitching, you better plug some other holes. I don't fault DM for this, we just need to develop some starters, and soon.

Davies is a world of suck, don't see a future for him. Hoch will probably be OK for a few more years, Duffy the same. Chen....eh, not so much. Need to find about three more solid guys to have a shot.


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