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Regarding Utley, you gotta keep this in mind: Getz is about a 0.5 WAR player. He's been on a tear, but he'll regress. Utley is probably good for about 3.5 WAR.

The Phillies would probably not wave the white flag until July, so maybe he can be had for half a season, probably slightly less. (1/3 of a season at the trading deadline.)

If your goal is to rent Utley near the trading deadline, then you are buying 1 win, maybe 2. Wins are obviously at a premium in a playoff chase, but that is what he would be worth to us.

I think Utley would bring more to the Royals than just his raw WAR though. He is a veteran presence, and he would probably be used to insulate Butler in the lineup. (assuming our young lefties don't start tearing shit up between now and the asb.)

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9655535)

Utley was a 3.0 WAR player in 83 games a season ago and a 3.5 WAR player the year before in 100 games.

He's on pace this year for a WAR around 5, so you're looking at about 2.5 WAR in a half season (if you get 75 games from him).

I think his days as an 8 WAR guy are over, but am pretty confident a healthy Utley is still a 5-6 WAR player.

I also think Utley positions you to win better if you make the postseason as well as adding some intangibles (and providing lineup protection for guys like Gordon and Butler).

With Utley, Gordon can stay in the leadoff spot. More men on base when Butler hits makes it harder for guys to pitch around him, which we have seen a lot of this season.

duncan, you are a baseball prospectus subscriber, right? Can you explain to me why catcher framing is all the rage there?

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9655535)

Regarding Utley, you gotta keep this in mind: Getz is about a 0.5 WAR player. He's been on a tear, but he'll regress. Utley is probably good for about 3.5 WAR.

Actually, his "tear" ended with his HR in Atlanta April 16. Since then, he's 3-for-29 with zero XBHs. His slash line has gone from .300/.300/.525 to .227/.250/.364.

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9655563)

duncan, you are a baseball prospectus subscriber, right? Can you explain to me why catcher framing is all the rage there?

I don't get it. I ignore all of that stuff. Just don't place much emphasis on it.

I think some catchers are better at giving the ump a clear window to the ball, but framing pitches is one of those overrated factors, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 9655091)

If only we had a downtown stadium, none of this would be happening... TinkyWinky

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9655093)

Fixed, and Saul Good faps.

First in the standings...28th in average attendance...

Kansascityfan shoots ropes of DNA over the availability of parking.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9655589)

First in the standings...28th in average attendance...

Kansascityfan shoots ropes of DNA over the availability of parking.

How many ropes?

Trading for Utley would remind me of the Braves trading for McGriff 20+ years ago during their first of many NL West championships.

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9655464)

Platoon salvy, who's an amazing defender and good with the bat?

Jesus, dude. You are wrong on almost everything. Entering CoMo status here.

You might want to read the post again. Salvy is not good with the bat this year and he's walked 1 time. I'm just the messenger. I expect he will improve but he needs better pitch selection. So far his fielding stats are way down from last year too. If nothing else he can use some rest at C and id do that vs tough righties. Ignore his career splits if you want.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9655517)

Fair enough on 'untradeable.' You're right ... we're not going to see Dayton Moore do something as astronomically stupid as trading a blue-chip prospect for a mediocre or slightly above-average player. No Zambrano for Kazmir trades here.

Selman or Brickhouse would be throw-ins for Philadelphia in an Utley deal. Neither would be the headliner. They would be lottery ticket pieces that help you get to the deal (See: Patrick Leonard in the Shields/Myers deal).

Look at what Philadelphia got in return for a very similar player in terms of value just a year ago. The Pence deal can be used at least for a ballpark figure on what Utley would cost. Yeah, Utley is a better player, but he's also older and riskier because of his health issue (and controlled for one full season less).

The catcher the Phillies got, Tommy Joseph, is the biggest piece. He's never sniffed a top 100/101 list, and he slots somewhere around 5 in the Phillies prospect rankings (which is not hard to do). He'd MAYBE be a top 15 guy in the Royals system.

The pitcher, Seth Rosin, is also someone who never has sniffed a top 100/101/whatever.

If the Phillies want a limited upside guy who is close, the Royals have plenty of those (Gio, Colon could be pieces of a deal). Heck, even Chris Dwyer - who has cut his career walk rate of 4.5 by 50 percent this year - would be a useful piece of a deal.

The key piece or exciting piece of the deal would have to be a lower minors guys. Someone like Calixte or Cuthbert or Bonifacio.

The Royals certainly have tradeable pieces, and more than enough to make a reasonable deal for Utley (whose value you're severely overrating).

Upon reading your further explanation I see your points and they make sense. The Pence point is a fair one. I thought thy at was a dumb deal when they made it and their OF has been terrible without his bat. If they didn't plan to keep Victorino why trade Pence? Maybe for salary but again they are flush. I'd like to toss Getz as much as anyone although its a short term move that forces Gio into the lineup next year. Which may be good.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 37m
Why are teams legit scared of 15-10 KC? Danny Duffy, almost a year removed from Tommy John, is sitting 94-97. Could join rotation late June.

Passan also said that Duffy looks so good they've asked him to back off a bit.

I'm almost bummed that Duffy's coming back. He's such a beast on Twitter. LMAO

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9655654)

I did. Still makes no sense, as many others have pointed out.

You don't watch the games, do you? If you did, you would see why Salvy is an integral part of this team and putting him on the bench would be a HUGE mistake.