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Kyle DeLexus 09-05-2009 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 6036070)
Curry was a strong side outside linebacker who was projected into the middle at the pro level. Spikes is a pure Mike backer that is the same level at his position as Mays and Berry, and probably has done more on the field than either. The guy is a killing machine that is that once in a generation type of guy. Think of Laurinaitis' instincts, Rey's brutality, and the athletic ability of a Pat Willis - maybe more. Same thing could be said of Jermaine Gresham at tight end. Absolute freak of nature that is like a Adrian Peterson for his position - simply bigger and faster than any other TE out there. You could say the same thing about Trent Williams at RT, who looks to be the best pure RT since Tait.

And Dunlap is just over-the-top freakish physically. He makes Mays look like the Pillsbury dough boy in comparison. Plus there are really good rush ends/34 ROLB in Kindle and Selvie.

Both Mays and Berry look to be Woodson/Reed clones. But we have more immediate needs at a multitude of position other than safety, and with a lot of guys in this next draft that have the potential to be game changers at positions we desperately need, I don't see where using that pick on a safety is the best option.
Why bring up Dunlap? He is a beast of a 4-3 DE but that doesn't really do much for us. I really wanted him until we moved to 3-4 now he's someone we will just have to watch tear it up for another team.

Spikes would be much more of a priority if we were running a 4-3. Could we use a player like him? Absolutely, but I don't think he is better than the safeties coming out. Most have them as the top players on the big board. I do like Spikes as a prospect but don't see him going that high and think he is hyped up a bit being from Florida and all.

I don't think you can pay a RT $40-50 million when Albert will want a higher deal when his contract is up.

I also did mention that I'll be watching Kindle this year and he could eventually become my pick. Selvie is late first early 2nd.

Kyle DeLexus 09-05-2009 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6036072)
well, Raji was supposed to the best nt in this last draft and he is a de now
I think it's hard to project rookie nose tackles and that position can be addressed through free agency

If I had my way they would draft ray lewis...I mean Brandon Spikes
Give him some time he'll be the starting NT. He's still the backup there and would easily be starting for us. Pickett at least has the size to play NT and since DLine is that position that takes time to adjust to he's getting the nod over Raji. I was kind of surprised they are playing him as a 5-tech at all though.

Saccopoo 09-05-2009 03:14 AM
So, if you can get guys like Selvie and Beadles with our second rounders, making Kindle or Williams unnecessary, a guy like Pawelek (who I think would be an absolute steal in the late 2nd/early 3rd) with our third rounder, which would wash out Spikes, and we don't need Dunlap because people think it would be a waste in a 3-4 (hypothetically), Cody has too much bust potential, and since we signed Cassel to a long term we don't have a need for Bradford/McCoy/Snead/Tebow, who does that leave us with?

Mays, Berry, Gresham, and Suh is what I'm coming up with.

Kyle DeLexus 09-05-2009 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 6036082)
So, if you can get guys like Selvie and Beadles with our second rounders, making Kindle or Williams unnecessary, a guy like Pawelek (who I think would be an absolute steal in the late 2nd/early 3rd) with our third rounder, which would wash out Spikes, and we don't need Dunlap because people think it would be a waste in a 3-4 (hypothetically), Cody has too much bust potential, and since we signed Cassel to a long term we don't have a need for Bradford/McCoy/Snead/Tebow, who does that leave us with?

Mays, Berry, Gresham, and Suh is what I'm coming up with.

You could also add a WR, that would really depend on where we end up picking. Cody and Kindle could be on there after the season as well and then you could do something different in the second. I've only been going off of what I've seen from the players already and where I think we will be drafting(top 5ish). Throw in the fact that everything can change during the course of the season and there could be a chance to trade down this year depending on where our pick lands and this could make for a fun draft.

Oh and unless we end up picking around the 18+ range I personally wouldn't have Gresham on the list. I don't think TE is going to be as important as it has been in the past with Haley.

Mecca 09-05-2009 04:27 AM
I like Brandon Spikes and all but I don't see him as a can't miss type..I actually think he may end up playing as an outside backer at the next level.

Also the game against Bama hurt his stock a bit against a team with NFL size and quality line he was basically taken out of the game and mauled. He did not look good in that game at all.

Also Gresham I don't think goes down as the most athletic TE drafted or any of that...that title goes to the guy down in Dallas named Martellus Bennett I was a huge fan of his and think that guy is going to be a superstar. That to me is the most naturally gifted TE to be in a draft.

DrRyan 09-05-2009 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 6036045)
As long as you are happy with Demarrio then I guess we're good. And when has a safety been a "game changer?"
When has a Safety been a game changer? Ummm, there are two in the league right now. Polamalu and Reed. Before that Ronnie Lott and as much as I hate to say it, you could argue Atwater. The list goes on if you would like.

MLB, or more accurately ILB in the 3-4 is not that important of a position. If there is a stud OLB prospect that can be expected to put pressure on the QB, then by all means I am for that. But TE in the top ten is nuts.

Delano 09-05-2009 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6036097)
I like Brandon Spikes and all but I don't see him as a can't miss type..I actually think he may end up playing as an outside backer at the next level.

Also the game against Bama hurt his stock a bit against a team with NFL size and quality line he was basically taken out of the game and mauled. He did not look good in that game at all.
We'll see how he looks this year, but IMO, the NFL is way to big for Spikes.

TEX 09-05-2009 10:40 AM
This is just funny.

KCrockaholic 09-05-2009 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6036097)
I like Brandon Spikes and all but I don't see him as a can't miss type..I actually think he may end up playing as an outside backer at the next level.
I think at this point the biggest natural thing Spikes is lacking is speed. I dont know if he has the speed to play MLB in the NFL and be able to run sideline to sideline.

KCrockaholic 09-05-2009 11:02 AM
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Just thought this was worth a look. Its nice seeing Knowshit get knocked out.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6036057)
And GoChiefs will write for SI, and Mecca will convert to Christianity after Tim Tebow shows him the light, and Skip will date Heidi Klume, and South Carolina BBQ will taste good, and Reaper 16 will join AA, and R. Lee Ermey will come out of the closet, and SHTSPRAYER will start a hippie commune, and men will watch the Lifetime Network with their wives, and STYX will finally be hailed as a "cool" band.
Now wait a second...what's wrong with Styx?

salame 09-05-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 6036242)
When has a Safety been a game changer? Ummm, there are two in the league right now. Polamalu and Reed. Before that Ronnie Lott and as much as I hate to say it, you could argue Atwater. The list goes on if you would like.

MLB, or more accurately ILB in the 3-4 is not that important of a position. If there is a stud OLB prospect that can be expected to put pressure on the QB, then by all means I am for that. But TE in the top ten is nuts.
reed and polamalu are on two of the best defenses in the league
both have excellent d-lines and linebackers
put them on a bad team and they aren't nearly as effective

Hammock Parties 09-05-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6036516)
reed and polamalu are on two of the best defenses in the league
both have excellent d-lines and linebackers
put them on a bad team and they aren't nearly as effective
That's bullshit. They won't suddenly lose the ability to tackle or nail a bastard across the middle.

Look at what Bob Sanders did for Indy's terrible defense their SB year.

salame 09-05-2009 12:08 PM
my only point was this and I don't think I made it clear
those two teams always have the best rush defense
and always have a good pass russ
I'm sure there isn't a way to prove this statistically but I bet they see more chances for interceptions than teams that get run on all day long
I love ed reed and think he is the best safety in the game
BUT
I don't think he would have tons of picks in denver or kc

Hammock Parties 09-05-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6036529)
my only point was this and I don't think I made it clear
those two teams always have the best rush defense
and always have a good pass russ
I'm sure there isn't a way to prove this statistically but I bet they see more chances for interceptions than teams that get run on all day long
I love ed reed and think he is the best safety in the game
BUT
I don't think he would have tons of picks in denver or kc
Jarrad Page had four interceptions last year.

Jared Allen was surrounded by shit.

Good players make plays.


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