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DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6038671)
my bad about jackson. and notice how i said it got better every week.but if our run d is as bad as u suggest ap shouldve had an average of 8yds a carry. he had 1 good drive.

they ran ALL OVER the seahawks which include patrick kerney and one of the best LB cores in the nfl. they also owned the rams in the beginning.

so its impossible to score a td if u start behind the 20?


First off, the Rams and Seahawks were a combined 6-26 last year. The Chiefs were facing the Ravens.

Secondly, the Chief have proven for years that they have difficulty moving the ball behind this offensive line and that they're even more hamstrung when they start behind the 20.

DBOSHO 09-05-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038695)
First off, the Rams and Seahawks were a combined 6-26 last year. The Chiefs were facing the Ravens.

Secondly, the Chief have proven for years that they have difficulty moving the ball behind this offensive line and that they're even more hamstrung when they start behind the 20.

fair enough. i can only go by what i see. and that is a better team than last years 2-14 team.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6038687)
i think the combo of our TEs and the 2nd and 3rd wr can equal that. you dont necessarily have to have 2 1000 yd recievers to be successful.

It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6038701)
fair enough. i can only go by what i see. and that is a better team than last years 2-14 team.

They'll be better coached, better conditioned and Haley will manage the clock to perfection.

But lack of talent at nearly every position along with probably the most difficult schedule in the NFL is what will keep the Chiefs from winning more than 4 games.

As I said, two was my guess so essentially, I'm plus or minus 2 games from that prediction.

DBOSHO 09-05-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038703)
It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

i have a feeling we arent done rounding up wideouts. and if bradley stays healthy, does 700yds 5 tds seem reasonable? it does to me. and seriously, make me a tshirt.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6038716)
i have a feeling we arent done rounding up wideouts. and if bradley stays healthy, does 700yds 5 tds seem reasonable? it does to me. and seriously, make me a tshirt.

IF Bradley stays healthy, I think he'll do better than that.

But health has been the key in his career.

So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

As for the t-shirt, do you think I do manual labor?

LMAO

DBOSHO 09-05-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038717)
IF Bradley stays healthy, I think he'll do better than that.

But health has been the key in his career.

So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

As for the t-shirt, do you think I do manual labor?

LMAO

you owe me for bein a dick. so hop on it

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6038725)
you owe me for bein a dick. so hop on it

I'm not a dick.

I am who I am.

Either you like me or you don't.

It's called having a "strong personality".

Saccopoo 09-05-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038703)
It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

That is, until they draft Dennis Pitta next season. Then it will be lollipops and joy and love and playoffs and first downs and roll out, fade pass safety valves! There will be joy in Mudville again!

DBOSHO 09-05-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038731)
I'm not a dick.

I am who I am.

Either you like me or you don't.

It's called having a "strong personality".

that what they call it these days?

splatbass 09-05-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038531)

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

1. Haley's offense doesn't really use the TE that much except for blocking, which TG wasn't that good at anyway. I'm sure they felt that he made too much money for someone that didn't fit the offense. In this offense he likely wouldn't get 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

2. Our 1st string D looked like they are much improved against the run from last year.

3. I don't know how we'll run the ball or protect the QB, but we can't be worse at it than last year when we won 2 games. We ran the ball ball better during preseason than we did last season.

4. While returns didn't look great during the preseason, they were acceptable. I don't think this will be as much of an issue as you do.

I think in all of those questions you asked we are improved from last year, and our coaching has to be better. I believe we will win more than we did last year. 4 - 6 games is my prediction. I think that is reasonable.

ILChief 09-05-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6037367)
Released...

CB Jackie Bates
TE Tom Crabree
DE Dion Gales
DE Bobby Greenwood
G Darryl Harris
WR Taurus Johnson
WR Ashley Lelie
DT Derek Lokey
S Bernard Pollard
S Ricky Price
LB Zach Thomas
RB Javarris Williams
WR Rodney Wright

Placed on IR...

G Colin Brown

kind of bummed about Lelie. He looked pretty good in the preseason. Other than that, not too many complaints. I was surprised about Pollard but not upset. Shocked that Colin Brown is on IR. we're really thin on the o line

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 6038759)
1. Haley's offense doesn't really use the TE that much except for blocking, which TG wasn't that good at anyway. I'm sure they felt that he made too much money for someone that didn't fit the offense. In this offense he likely wouldn't get 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

2. Our 1st string D looked like they are much improved against the run from last year.

3. I don't know how we'll run the ball or protect the QB, but we can't be worse at it than last year when we won 2 games. We ran the ball ball better during preseason than we did last season.

4. While returns didn't look great during the preseason, they were acceptable. I don't think this will be as much of an issue as you do.

I think in all of those questions you asked we are improved from last year, and our coaching has to be better. I believe we will win more than we did last year. 4 - 6 games is my prediction. I think that is reasonable.

JFC, do I have to repeat myself?

1. I don't give a shit if Haley doesn't include the TE. WHO is going to REPLACE the 1,000 yards and 10TD's in this offense? Copper? LMAO

2. Bullshit. You call giving up 366 yards in three quarters against the Vikings "good"? 5 yards a carry against the Texans is good? The Vikings ran for more than 4 yards a carry but that's because TJ shredded the Chiefs for 200 yards and 2 TD's in less than one quarter. Need I go on?

3. Yes, "we" can. Waters is a year older. Goff sucks. None of us know who's even starting on this line but considering that Cassel went out on the third play of the third pre-season game, it's safe to say it has not improved over last year. Hell, at least Croyle lasted until game one last year.

4. Really? The repeated fumbles? The confusion? I don't see what you're seeing.

Chieficus 09-05-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6038531)
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

First, I'll define "successful" as moving forward from the past couple of seasons. Of course, as all things stand right now, this is a team that would have an amazing season if it hits 0.500. But this is also a team that (unless someone uses the detroit lion's definition) has practically already bottomed out.

The new staff has come in to pick up the pieces, throw out the irreparable shards, and remake this sucker from the ground up. A simple look of competency would be an improvement; but more than that I think this is a team that will be able to improve, gain experience, and gain confidence as the year progresses (especially looking at the schedule--most of the big nasties are before the bye-week) and end up with 5, maybe 6 wins.

Who replaces Tony's #'s? No one, at least not this year. But that doesn't mean that others can't step up and take some of the heat off of Bowe. Bradley has talent, and has shown flashes of it, he just needs to be out there for a season--IF that happens, there's help. Football wise, Engram's an old man and fading, but he can catch--use him as a possession guy. Other than that, yeah we have plenty of unknowns with the high potential of just being scrubs; or IF they get their act together...

Defensively--I'm really not that concerned with the first teamers. Thinking back on the games, I think they've shown more respectability than not. Especially true of the linebacking corps, which some thought would be horrid--I think outside of our young corners they're going to be a strength of this defense, and will end up showing up in both run support and pass-rushing (their coverage abilities still needs work, IMO).

O-Line: yeah, it has issues, especially the right side, and certainly since we're going into the season still not sure who the RT is going to be. Having said that, I'm torn on what to think: Haley's play calling looked a heck of a lot better than that crap that Chan was calling the first few games. If Brodie would have been more on-target with a couple of passes this last game would have looked different, especially with the starters. Even the play of the starting o-line, for the most part, looked improved that game. YET, it could also have very well been that StL just sucks that bad. And considering they weren't any better than us last year, that's a darn good probability. Obviously we're going to sign some other teams' castaways for it, so I'm putting it more into the position of wait and see...and hope...and pray...

Returners? Yeah, that's a good one. We don't have anyone. I think Charles gives us the best go at KR, but for PR? Who knows. This is where you just kinda have to throw up your hands and hope that flying pigs will join unicorns in running down the side of a rainbow, and that someone will magically appear as a diamond in the rough kinda like Dante did a few years back when most people didn't even think he should be on the team. But I'm certainly not going to hold my breath on that one... (though I am having a craving for some Lucky Charms right now).

"Bob" Dobbs 09-05-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus (Post 6038786)
Returners? Yeah, that's a good one. We don't have anyone. I think Charles gives us the best go at KR, but for PR? Who knows. This is where you just kinda have to throw up your hands and hope that flying pigs will join unicorns in running down the side of a rainbow, and that someone will magically appear as a diamond in the rough kinda like Dante did a few years back when most people didn't even think he should be on the team. But I'm certainly not going to hold my breath on that one... (though I am having a craving for some Lucky Charms right now).

This brings up what may be a dumb question, but I just don't know. WTF is the difference between a decent KR & PR? Isn't it basically the same thing? Please enlighten me.


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