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chiefzilla1501 09-21-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 7025885)
Exactly. I think a pass fake to Dex in the flat will open a deep ball. If cassel can get it there.

More importantly, the deep ball opens up the pass to Dex in the flat. The Chiefs don't even have to be outstanding throwing the ball deep. They just have to be okay at it. Right now, defenses have so little respect for the deep pass that they're loading their entire defense to stop the short shit.

KCUnited 09-21-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by haydenchiefs101 (Post 7025283)
did anyone dvr the game nick said u can see it on jamel face when he came out was after a 3 and 6 play

Maybe this has been answered, but I'm not going through the thread. I have it, have re-watched it and cannot see it. First, it's odd how many 3rd and 6's we had. I never saw any belittling on the sideline and I never saw Charles on the sideline away from his teammates. The only thing that could be speculated about, was that Charles was in on 3rd and goal with 7:50 in the 4th quarter, KC was forced to take a timeout and when play resumed, Jones was in the backfield, but it was an entirely different look. Again, never saw anything on the sideline.

The only thing I ever saw on Charles face was on his last touch of the game, 1st and 10 with 5:20 left for a 1 yard gain. Charles got up walking to the sideline shaking his head, but it looked more like it was in frustration that the play was stuffed.

There were 4 more running plays by KC to end the game, all by Jones.

I never saw anything that was an obvious issue with Charles/Mo.

LaChapelle 09-21-2010 05:14 PM

2nd half TOP KC-20 minutes Browns-10
Charles - 4 touches Jones -15 touches
I'm writing my senator demanding hearings

email sent
awaiting reply

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-21-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7025897)
Here's an idea. Well, it's more like a theory type of deal ...

Maybe ... just maybe ... the reason Jones is getting most of the carries is because Haley & Company are trying to get the o-line to gel a little more. That might make sense. Jones isn't a game breaking, take-it-to-the-house-from-your-own-20 kind of guy. He hits the hole that is designed to hit. He's not going to make something happen out of nothing ... at least, not generally.

Charles, on the other hand, made our o-line look a whole lot better than it actually was last year.

Haley has repeatedly stated that he wants a physical football team ... and that starts with the o-line. It could be the reason Jones is getting the majority of the work. Maybe it's more about the o-line.

FAX

So much for Occam's Razor.

milkman 09-21-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7025914)
I mention the o-line all the time. I don't recall anybody coming "unhinged".

'course I think the problem lies primarily from guard to guard, rather than on the outside, more on the right, and believe that Albert is doing just fine at LT.

Plus I don't have "poo" in my name. That probably helps.

Actually, Keg, the interior of the O-Line has played pretty well thus far, creating seams for Jones, and giving Cassel a pocket to step up into if he had any pocket awareness.

Lilja and Weigman have been upgrades from anyone that played their respective positions last year, and Waters has benefitted from the play to his right.

Albert and Richardson have played better than last year, though I do think there's plenty of room for improvement.
But neither have been the liability that okung'ssacofshit would like us to think they are.

ToxSocks 09-21-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7025927)
If we're going to continue to attempt to play power football, we have the wrong line for it. That's not Wiegmann's game, and Lilja is probably too small, as well. There's a reason Jones ypc is down a half yard from last year, and it's not because he's a year older.

We have the same problem we've had since Wiegmann left after his first tenure here: we need a center. And that will become more and more clear as the year goes on, and Wiegmann's weight steadily drops towards 260. In the same light, Waters' play will continue to decline as he ages. So the reality is that the line is not really "fixed" because this team is not being built for now, it's being built for 2011 and on. Asamoah may (should) be part of that, and Lilja may be part of that, but there's still work to be done.

You Missed the Fixed for THIS YEAR part of my post.

And this line was designed to be a light, quick, zone blocking line. Not a "power" line. Just because they are running in the middle doesn't mean they're playing power football. I think the line is fine for this year.

Really.....Matt Cassel is the one true weakness on this team. That and our inability to generate a consistant pass rush.

As far this whole Charles needs more carries thing goes....I agree.

BUT...lets not pretend that Jones isn't doing a good job in there either.

DaneMcCloud 09-21-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7025945)
Albert and Richardson have played better than last year, though I do think there's plenty of room for improvement.
But neither have been the liability that okung'ssacofshit would like us to think they are.

Sac is smoking crack.

Albert has picked up where he left off at the end of last season and Richardson is continuing to make strides. By the end of this season, the tackle position shouldn't even be a question going into 2011.

O.city 09-21-2010 05:28 PM

Think if we had a young developing qb and studebaker turns out like we think he will we could be set and could start adding depth.

I have been impressed with the play of Belcher. He seems to be playing well.

Chiefs Pantalones 09-21-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by haydenchiefs101 (Post 7025047)
getnickwright The #Chiefs are bordering on losing Jamaal Charles... which could lose them the lockerroom... I have the story... I'll explain at 2 sharp

Oh no!!

lol

milkman 09-21-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7025952)
Sac is smoking crack.

Albert has picked up where he left off at the end of last season and Richardson is continuing to make strides. By the end of this season, the tackle position shouldn't even be a question going into 2011.

I agree with this.

On the issue of Charles, while I am in the camp that feels we need to get him more touches, this offense will rise or fall on Cassel.

The Titans were 0-8(?) before Jeff Fisher made the switch to Vince Young at QB, in spite of all the yards that Chris Johnson was compliling on the ground.

Vince Young isn't a very good QB still (yet?), but he did make some big plays that complemented what CJ did on the ground, which helped them to win games.

JC needs more touches, but Cassel needs to produce, or none of it matters at the end of the day.

keg in kc 09-21-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7025945)
Actually, Keg, the interior of the O-Line has played pretty well thus far, creating seams for Jones, and giveing Cassel a pocket to step up inot if he had any pocket awareness.

I'm talking long term - the positions they need to look at in the future are guard and center. I don't think Waters or Wiegmann are going to be here very far down the road. But the idea that they need to replace Albert, or that they should have been dedicating draft picks to tackle instead of the positions they've taken? No way. That kind of crap is why people come "unhinged".

That said I don't think the seams for either back have been all that impressive (thought it was poor against SD, better against the Browns), though I think it's fair to attribute that to the problems with the passing game and not the offensive line. Until Cassel finds some kind of success, we're not going to be able to run the ball as effectively as I think we can.

And I do think we're going to develop problems in the middle of the line this season due to the age and size of the starters.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-21-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7025649)
Haley seems to have a bit LaRussa in him - playing lessor favorites and alienating young talent for some reason known only for him.

**** me.

keg in kc 09-21-2010 05:32 PM

Heh, I think we're all saying the exact same thing, but since it's the planet, we're arguing. LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-21-2010 05:33 PM

Barry Richardson isn't Willie Anderson and Albert is not going to be Walter Jones, but they don't have to be. B-Rich can be an above average RT and Albert can be one of the better LTs in the game. That's more than good enough.

If you want to bitch about the OL, bitch about the center play.

Fritz88 09-21-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7025952)
Sac is smoking crack.

Albert has picked up where he left off at the end of last season and Richardson is continuing to make strides. By the end of this season, the tackle position shouldn't even be a question going into 2011.

But..but Saccopoo says we need an LT?


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