Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9366549)

Also interesting is Dysert is rated at 6'4", but in the group photo him and geno look the same height, or close to it

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9363723)

A system can create completion percentage.

Ball placement is a product of biomechanics - either you can repeat your delivery or you can't.

You can improve in the margins, but that's about it. Think of it as moving within letter grades. If you're a B- level passer, you can become a B and maybe a B+, but a guy with B- accuracy is never going to be an A rated trhower and a person with C level accuracy as a rookie is almost certainly doomed to a career of mediocrity.

That said, the right system can mask it and I think it's the exact opposite of the system most would advocate. If only half of your balls are going to be accurate, might as well launch it downfield and make them count.

The short passing game should be utilized by truly pinpoint passers. I honestly think that your more scattershot arms should become downfield bombers. That's what finally made Eli effective and that's when Stafford was at his best.

Geno's accuracy is such that a smart coach will make him a guy that thrives by absolutely picking teams apart in the 10 yard range.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9367176)

I guess what you are getting at is if it's going to be a crap shoot of a pass at 10 yards why not go for broke and gain chunks at a time, but we all saw what happened when Cassel tried to bomb it away. He either threw incomplete by over-throwing, got it picked or damn near killed his WR by under-throwing it.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9367184)

He did that on SCREEN passes.

If you're going to throw a pick, it's better that it happens deep in your opponent's territory than on your own 35.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9367186)

How many screen passes were intercepted and how many "bombs" were intercepted?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9367198)

You ready to flip out?

Here's Cassel's 2012 splits, charted by how far the ball traveled in the air. ALL of his picks (except 1 aberration) were on short or medium passes.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9367203)

If you never throw a pass beyond 15 yards until you're down by 20 pts odds are that's where most your INT's will be...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9367218)

Down by 20 points is irrelevant.

Dude doesn't throw downfield much at all, ever.

Which was precisely DJ's point.

The guy is going to throw picks no mattter where he throws it. Might as well throw it deep. At worst, it's a punt. At best, it's a PI penalty and a 1st down.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9367227)

I'm not defending the POS I never wanted here.

He threw so many short passes you would have thought this was a WCO and you would have expected not average but extremely high completion percentages...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9367198)

You ready to flip out?

Here's Cassel's 2012 splits, charted by how far the ball traveled in the air. ALL of his picks (except 1 aberration) were on short or medium passes.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9367279)

Those numbers are misleading if you really break it down:

1-10 yards make up 46% of his pass attempts at a 66% completion rate. He was picked off in this area on 4% of his attempts.

Add in the passes from the LOS and you make up for 66% of his passes which were picked off 3% of the time.

from 11-20 yards which make up 22% of his pass attempts with a 47.5 completion rate has him at a 4% chance of an interception/attempt.

Then add in all passes past 11 yards and you get 34% of his passes at a clip of 6% chance of interception/ attempt.

Obviously, you don't want to throw it out longer than 10 yards with Cassel.



10-20 make up 8% of his total pass attempts

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9367282)

You're completely missing the point.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9367289)

please elaborate