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DaneMcCloud 06-21-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9767533)
You have no right to say that. We shouldn't let what has been reported by ABC and other highly respected media outlets make us think Aaron Hernandez us a bad guy. Let due process run it's course.

Worked so well for OJ and others...

The media never makes a mistake

BlackHelicopters 06-21-2013 03:20 PM

Fear and Loathing.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-21-2013 03:20 PM

He's swimming in cash, so I am suuuuuure justice will be served!!!

Sorter 06-21-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767566)
She was found safe.

Awesome.

LoneWolf 06-21-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767555)
It figures. You know nothing about the gang culture, yet feel compelled to tell others how they should live.

Perfect.

I never said I had any knowledge of the gang culture. I did ask you to share your extensive knowledge of said culture and how it follows someone after they've "escaped" that lifestyle. C'mon enlighten me, OG.

DaneMcCloud 06-21-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9767503)
Find better friends and family.

Wow, it sure would be nice if you could clone yourself to make the world a better place.

BossChief 06-21-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767563)
First off, these are allegations leaked to the press by the police. You or I or ABC has no idea if these events occurred and at this point in time, he hasn't been charged with a crime.

It's one thing to discuss his or anyone's alleged crimes. But it's completely different to convict him in the court of opinion, especially before he's even been charged or indicted.

An arrest warrant has been issued a few hours ago.

Why would he destroy his security system, cell phone and hire a professional clean up company if there was nothing to hide?

DaneMcCloud 06-21-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9767575)
I never said I had any knowledge of the gang culture. I did ask you to share your extensive knowledge of said culture and how it follows someone after they've "escaped" that lifestyle. C'mon enlighten me, OG.

I'd rather not, especially considering your condescending tone.

LoneWolf 06-21-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9767565)
I don't know about him, but I've had 3 life changing incidents where the police broke the law and I was arrested illegally. 2 of the cases were thrown out of court after suppression hearings and the wording in BOTH reasons for the case being thrown out were that the officers testimony was found "un-credible"

When I brought those papers back to the courthouse to see if the officer (same officer in BOTH cases) would be brought up on perjury charges, I was told that wouldn't happen.

Shit, in one of the cases I lost my job because I was arrested at work for something I literally had absolutely NOTHING to do with.

Sorry to hear that. I wasn't trying to make the argument that the police aren't sometimes corrupt, because I think everyone knows they are. It just seems Bump has a special kind of hate towards the police and I was just curious if it was driven by personal experience or media reports.

DaneMcCloud 06-21-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9767579)
An arrest warrant has been issued a few hours ago.

According the latest reports I've read, the police are preparing an arrest warrant.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9767579)
Why would he destroy his security system, cell phone and hire a professional clean up company if there was nothing to hide?

How should I know?

LoneWolf 06-21-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767581)
I'd rather not, especially considering your condescending tone.

That's fair. I was poking at you a little bit. IMO, I think we are quick to make excuses for other's bad behavior.

BossChief 06-21-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767583)
According the latest reports I've read, the police are preparing an arrest warrant.



How should I know?

They showed it ive as state police went to his house with the warrant for obstruction of justice. It's why they took his video system and his busted cell phone as evidence and wNt to talk to the cleaning company.

DJ's left nut 06-21-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767559)
No. This mini-debate started because I objected to this statement:



This type of thinking is not rare. I see it on Facebook. I see it in the comments section of USA Today and the front page of CNN and in other forums.

Everyone is guilty before proven innocent. I've seen people state that illegal immigrants should be executed. That's right, executed.

This mantra has gotten out of hand in this country and it sickens me.

But flight can be introduced as evidence of guilt. The law does adopt the idea that 'innocent people don't act this way' and have essentially codified it into the rules of evidence.

And yes, the justice system only works if people use their brains and adopt an acceptable definition of 'reasonable' doubt. Oftentimes that does require the use of inference and supposition.

If a prosecutor stood before and presented compelling evidence of what ABC News and others have reported, surely you'd be willing to convict on Obstruction and potentially as an accessory (after the fact, if nothing else). And no, we haven't had a prosecutor do such a thing, but I feel like there are enough independent sources leaking this information that we can certainly start to speculate on what it means.

If someone put a gun to my head right now and said "if you're wrong, you die", I'd say that Aaron Hernandez is absolutely an accomplice to murder and guilty of obstruction of justice. The End.

I don't see anything wrong with making those statements on a chat board, Twitter or facebook.

LoneWolf 06-21-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9767578)
Wow, it sure would be nice if you could clone yourself to make the world a better place.

Wouldn't it. I'm not sure there would be enough Lynyrd Skynyrd T-shirts and Camaros to go around though.

DaneMcCloud 06-21-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9767587)
That's fair. I was poking at you a little bit. IMO, I think we are quick to make excuses for other's bad behavior.

Thank you. I'll make this brief. I'm personally not an expert on gang life but I have some fairly close friends that work in law enforcement in Los Angeles (one guy was formerly head of SWAT and now is a SWAT trainer). The stories I've heard, and I've heard a lot because I find it very interesting, are mind blowing.

I also have a close friend that did an award winning documentary on gangsters and gang life. I've met some of those guys and had conversations with them (the main character escaped the gang life and now works with urban youths to avoid gang life).

Gang life, much like life in the Mafia, is a complete sub-culture, with their own rules. It's all built on trust (which ironically is what brought the Italian mafia down when everyone starting turning on each other in the 90's).

That said, they are not rules nor is it a lifestyle that I'm familiar with because I grew up in a suburban Caucasian home. But through friends, meetings and acquaintances, I do have some understanding of how their lifestyle works.


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