Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16970396)

I kind of get that. I think this team, plus a healthy and still 85-90 percent of his prime DeAndre Hopkins, would be a serious contender to go 20-0.

But I think this team, without that Hopkins, is still a serious contender to go 20-0.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16970378)

Let's talk about those games.

1. Buffalo. The Chiefs had 3 possessions in the 4th quarter and had a FG, a 3-and-out, and a 1-play drive that ended on an INT.

Healthy Von Miller was significantly impacting that game.

2. Bengals. The Chiefs literally had two possesions in the 4th quarter, coming off opening the second half with back-to-back TD drives. The first ended in the Kelce fumble (when they had just picked up a huge chunk to get to midfield and looked to be in business) and the second was a missed FG (Which was a 55-yard try that came after that sack stopped a good drive).

3. Rams. Holding a 20-10 lead entering the 4th quarter, the Chiefs burned the first six minutes of the quarter and threw an INT on 3rd and goal. Then kicked a FG. Then kicked a FG.

They were absolutely dominating the Rams, drove the ball to the goalline on the last "real" drive, and the game was never in doubt. Vanilla effort with a big lead against a team that had no chance with the QB it was using.

4. Broncos part 1. Only one TD in the second half, that was a game where the Chiefs led 27-0 at one point, clearly took the foot off the gas, and had a hard time dialing it back in. It happens. The second half did feature a pair of long drives, one that gave the Chiefs a 2-score lead headed into the 4th, and the other to close the game out and not let Denver have the ball back, down a score.

5. Broncos part 2. 3 drives. One TD. One punt. One drive that ended on kneel downs after picking up a first down.

6. Texans. The offense put up a TD and had a missed FG on its other drive in the 4th quarter. Then punted and scored a TD in OT to win it. Not an offensive issue.

The idea that the Chiefs had a consistent track record of performing "terribly" in the 4th quarter of these games is just not in line with reality.

Excluding knee downs, I see 16 drives for 30 points, with two drives that ended in missed FGs, in the 4th quarter of these games. That's 1.875 points per drive, or about a 10th of a point off average for the NFL. Tack on the missed FG, and you're back into top 10 NFL territory.

And considering that many of these games featured drives where KC had a lead and was focused on killing the clock, that's pretty darn good. Definitely not "terrible."

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16970396)

I kind of get that. I think this team, plus a healthy and still 85-90 percent of his prime DeAndre Hopkins, would be a serious contender to go 20-0.

But I think this team, without that Hopkins, is still a serious contender to go 20-0.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16970393)

They also led the league in scoring last year, does that count?

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970415)

Yeah you can throw that in there with the other far too general declarations people like to use far too frequently. Good catch.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16970406)

Heads would explode if they did not sign Hopkins and still did that. They would have done it by drafting well and signing good, yet under the radar FAs.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16970423)

Nah, we are good no matter what. Our WRs have potential. I certainly am not disputing that. I also believe there's a good chance we don't end the year with a stable WR1. It's not reason to panic but I also don't think it's something to be content about.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16970426)

I would be more concerned with our WR situation if #11 was out QB and not #15. If this WR room stays healthy then it will be very good. Not against signing Hopkins, but if he comes to KC, who loses playing time?

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16970448)

Has there been any news? I'm too lazy to read through the remainder of the thread.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16970396)

I kind of get that. I think this team, plus a healthy and still 85-90 percent of his prime DeAndre Hopkins, would be a serious contender to go 20-0.

But I think this team, without that Hopkins, is still a serious contender to go 20-0.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16970403)

I don't count the regular season bengals game. Our offense was great aside from a Kelce fumble. And I didn't say we have a history of performing terribly. Just that our offense wasn't as dominant in the second half of the season as we remember.

Buffalo 4Q was terrible Not really. They did have a scoring drive. A future Hall of Fame player turned it on and exploited the Chiefs' Ts.
Rams 4Q was terrible- we were bailed out by 2 INTs from their 20th string QB You lose credibility sticking to this one. They had absolutely dominated the entire game and were in cruise control.
Colts 4Q was terrible The offense averaged 7.7 yards/play in the 2 exclusive 4th quarter drives it had. They ran a bad FG fake to end the drive that spanned the 3rd and 4th quarters because they didn't trust Matt Ammendola, who then missed a chip shot FG on their next drive, and Mahomes threw an INT when they got the ball back down 3 with 24 seconds left. If they have a reliable FG kicker available in that game, you can put 6 more points on the board, and it's a ho-hum 23-13 trap road game win if Chris Jones doesn't say a bad word. And that's with Orlando Brown's lateral mobility even more hampered than normal because of a bad knee, and him struggling against the Colts speedy DEs.
Seattle 4Q was terrible (arguably because of weather) The Chiefs led this game 17-3 entering the 4th quarter, went 80 yards on 5 plays for a TD in their first drive of the quarter to go up 24-3 with less than 5 minutes remaining, and then ran 4 plays to try to kill the clock after recovering an onside kick. Saying the offense was terrible in the 4th quarter is not in line with reality, man. Even aside from the fact the Chiefs controlled them the whole way.
Denver 2nd half 4Q was terrible (can use big lead as an excuse) Are you talking about the first one? Yeah, they went to cruise control to that one and couldn't get it back.
Tennesse 2nd half was terrible (off-paper) - bailed out by horrendous QB play by Willis An ugly game, all around. The Titans did a good job against KC. I wouldn't isolate the issues on offense to just the 2nd half or 4th quarter. Aside from the first 2 drives, KC had a hard time finishing drives against the Titans in that one. Good gameplan by Vrabel.
LAC game 1 wasn't ideal - bailed out by Herbert completely shitting his pantsThe first half was more of an issue. Niang struggled against Bosa, notably. Second half, the Chiefs had 5 true drives and scored 13 points. 2.6 points/drive is elite.
Houston 4Q wasn't great, but I'll give you it wasn't terrible I'm glad we agree, that one is pretty obvious
Cincy playoff 4Q wasn't great (can use injuries as an excuse)You think? QB on one leg, being down to their #2 and 4 WRs, with the next WR available being a guy they activated off the PS, and TE2 and TE3 running some WR routes?

It's no reason to panic. But if you actually play these games back, especially the first 6, they were games where we were flat out stuck on offense. And arguably a lot of these defenses are doing it in a similar way that you'd have to think we'll see more of in 2023. I just think we need to adapt more than we think. Maybe our WR corps can do it. I'd just like to have some insurance on it.

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 16970463)

We led the league in offense last year, potentially in spite of bad OTs. If OT play is significantly better this season, the Chiefs will be really hard to beat. Sure, we may look back and say, "turns out those guys were actually much better than we thought", but I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16970448)

Has there been any news? I'm too lazy to read through the remainder of the thread.

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi Part Deux (Post 16970490)

This piece of SHIT has not signed with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970506)

Hopkins seems to be all about the money, not rings. Giving him top dollar sends all the wrong messages. I'll be shocked if he comes here.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970506)

Hopkins seems to be all about the money, not rings. Giving him top dollar sends all the wrong messages. I'll be shocked if he comes here.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970506)

Hopkins seems to be all about the money, not rings. Giving him top dollar sends all the wrong messages. I'll be shocked if he comes here.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16970511)

I hear he uses microwaves, too. Can't trust a guy like that!

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970379)

Lol, I guess “a win is a win” only counts when the Chiefs are on the right side of that aphorism, eh?

Pretty much why I never use that one myself. Same as “we have the best pass-rush in the NFL” - circa 2018 just prior to the AFCCG.

Ditto our “best 3rd down defense” of the same year.

Or any of the half dozen other silly things people say, like “we have the number one offense,” based on a single stat like total yards, while completely ignoring any stat that doesn’t conform to that one metric.

But whatever. I’ve pretty much covered all this multiple times now. Either you can read or you can’t.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16970507)

How does signing someone who would be a significant improvement to our offense send the wrong message? If they can find a way to get him under the cap the only message being sent is "We want to repeat."

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970211)

CIN is 3-1 vs. KC. I wouldn’t say we should feel all that comfortable about playing them just yet.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970524)

When you have players who are willing to sacrifice to play on the Chiefs and you pay someone over the top money you are just creating a double standard. Don't get me wrong I would LOVE to have his talent here. He just seems to care only about every dollar he can get out of the franchise he is going to. As long as there is somebody willing to pay him a few more dollars, he isn't going to sign here. Hope I am wrong for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970524)

When you have players who are willing to sacrifice to play on the Chiefs and you pay someone over the top money you are just creating a double standard. Don't get me wrong I would LOVE to have his talent here. He just seems to care only about every dollar he can get out of the franchise he is going to. As long as there is somebody willing to pay him a few more dollars, he isn't going to sign here. Hope I am wrong for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16970527)

People are going to be mad at you for saying that

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16970528)

Uh who is "sacrificing" to be on the Chiefs and what player is not getting the best deal the can when he's negotiating, I'd love to hear this.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16970532)

No one is taking significantly less money to be a Chief.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 16970540)

You are saying Mahomes couldn't get more money? OK How about Brady over the years?

Chiefs are becoming a Dynasty and players want to be on teams like that and often take a bit less in order to play there and free up salary space. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16970615)

Dhop won’t sign with the chiefs. We won’t pay him enough for his demands. I’m guessing it’s watson reunion with the browns. They have cap space.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16970618)

Maybe Dallas? They have cap space?

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16970527)

People are going to be mad at you for saying that

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970629)

Meh. People get mad at me for a lot of things. I just stated a fact. One that’s more pertinent than “we’re the number one scoring offense.”


They can take it however they want.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16970628)

He's going to attempt to get the best deal he can, he'd probably prefer a contender but he's gonna weigh winning vs offers I'm sure if they're close he'll pick the better team but if one team is far and away above with money he's going there.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16970663)

He thinks he's getting the OBJ deal, no one giving him that.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16970642)

I'd be a lot more worried if they didn't just sign a left tackle with an obvious flaw that we can and will easily exploit

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970629)

Meh. People get mad at me for a lot of things. I just stated a fact. One that’s more pertinent than “we’re the number one scoring offense.”


They can take it however they want.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16970379)

Lol, I guess “a win is a win” only counts when the Chiefs are on the right side of that aphorism, eh?

Pretty much why I never use that one myself. Same as “we have the best pass-rush in the NFL” - circa 2018 just prior to the AFCCG.

Ditto our “best 3rd down defense” of the same year.

Or any of the half dozen other silly things people say, like “we have the number one offense,” based on a single stat like total yards, while completely ignoring any stat that doesn’t conform to that one metric.

But whatever. I’ve pretty much covered all this multiple times now. Either you can read or you can’t.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16970843)

What happens at 2000 posts?

Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 16970675)

I’m personally looking forward to watching Foxtail McBitchTits get his shit pushed in.

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16970850)

The goalposts get moved to 2500 :shrug:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16971178)

Veach should consider signing Hopkins

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16971194)

I agree because the Kansas City Chiefs are my favorite American Football squad

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16971195)

No shit, for real? Get this, I enjoy them as well! How crazy is that!

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16971181)

We are closing in! How is the best buy situation looking?

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16971234)

Why is this still a thing???

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16971111)

The night crew failed us again. Pathetic really...

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16971241)

He'll never sign here with that attitude :grr:

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16971194)

I agree because the Kansas City Chiefs are my favorite American Football squad

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 16971225)

Remember Bashaud Breeland.

Never forget

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16971351)

I also like da Chiefs

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16971376)

That seems to be a theme around here as I also happen to be a fan and supporter of this football club.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16971384)

Very surprising to find so many Chiefs fans on ChiefsPlanet.com

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16971388)

I know right? I thought this was a site where we discussed Belize and ball powder, I'm stoked all of you also seem to favor the Kansas City pro football squad as well. Just makes it that much more neat!

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16971406)

Exactly! I thought this board was all about the former KC mayor who had that nickname or a place for C Suite people to hang. Imagine my surprise when I discovered we all (or most anyway) like the same NFL club?