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Saul Good 12-06-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8176563)
the difference I saw in this game compared to last year was we started scoring to keep them at bay instead of depending on a bunch of defensive turnovers.

And I noticed we are sending teams to the line a lot less this year compared to years past.

The refs called 6 fouls on us in the first 6 minutes of the second half. I swear it seems like officials do that just to keep the game close, and you don't really notice it when they are away-from-the-play fouls early in the half. It just gets the other team to the line quicker.

petegz28 12-06-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8176582)
The refs called 6 fouls on us in the first 6 minutes of the second half. I swear it seems like officials do that just to keep the game close, and you don't really notice it when they are away-from-the-play fouls early in the half. It just gets the other team to the line quicker.

Yea but on balance we have not been the hack-fest we were the last few years

DeezNutz 12-06-2011 08:32 PM

Team keeps rolling. Not their best game by a long shot tonight and still pretty much controlled the thing from tip to final buzzer.

KcMizzou 12-06-2011 08:48 PM

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Kim English's transformation

By Dana O'Neil
ESPN.com

When he was a kid, he was too little to grasp the cruel irony, which is probably a good thing.

The cruel reality was tough enough.

Forget the kids who teased him.

His last name mocked him, too.

English.

His surname, our language.

Our comfort, his prison.

A kid named English and yet he couldn't speak it clearly.

It's impossible to believe now. After all, Kim English is the unofficial bard of basketball, able to quote John Wooden and Rudyard Kipling with equal ease.

Make a list of most likely to boot ESPN's Dan Shulman from his chair, and English's name is at the top.

Yet not too long ago, as recently as English's freshman season at Missouri, all of the words in his brain -- the intriguing insight and strong opinions that make English one of the better interviews in the game -- got stuck on his tongue. They'd come out in a rush, a stuttering mumble jumble of tangled speech sometimes impossible to decipher.

"I always had confidence in myself and in my thoughts," English said. "I wanted to get my thoughts across; I just couldn't get out what I wanted to say. I knew I was saying things of substance. I think once I stopped thinking about it, it was truly out of sight out of mind. It's like going to the free throw line. You think about it and you miss. When you're not even thinking, when you're just shooting the ball, it's easy."

It's all easy now for English, the words and the basketball.

If Mizzou is not the most surprising team in this early portion of the college basketball season, the Tigers certainly make the top five. Despite all sorts of offseason turmoil, Missouri was labeled an early-season favorite to challenge Kansas' run of Big 12 titles. And then in October, Laurence Bowers went down with a torn ACL, bringing both the Tigers' expectations and preseason rankings right down with him.

Mizzou started the season at No. 25.

The Tigers are currently 10th -- toting a 7-0 record that includes one eye-opening, 39-point spanking of Cal -- as they head to Madison Square Garden for Tuesday's Jimmy V Classic game against Villanova (ESPN/ESPN3, 7 p.m. ET).

And English is averaging a career-best 16.9 points per game despite using a 6-foot-6 frame as a punching bag by filling in for Bowers and lining up at the 4.

"He's embraced it; he's really embraced it," coach Frank Haith said of English's position change. "And what he's done has really helped this team. We've got lots of guys on this team who have aspirations of playing after college, and they see Kimmie sacrificing and doing what he needs to do for the betterment of the team. That's affected everyone in a positive manner."

"Coming up next on Baltimore live."

"Coming up next on Baltimore live," Kim English would echo the announcer.

The radio and television were Kim English's speech pathologists. He visited with a real one in school, but what the Baltimore public schools could provide and what English found in the real world weren't the same.

Listening, sensing a rhythm in a person's speech, those were the real teachers. Riding along in the car with his mother, Brenda Fowlkes, or his father, Kim Sr., English would mutter under his breath, repeating over and over what he heard on the radio, mimicking the diction and pauses.

"I remember, 'Coming up next on Baltimore live,'" he said. "I'd say it over and over again. When I got older, I'd listen to Dickie V and Dan Shulman. I pretty much taught myself how to get rid of my stutter. I saw 'The King's Speech' -- and everything they taught the king, I taught myself."



I didn't stutter on the basketball court. I just destroyed people, and all of a sudden all the jokes went away, and as my confidence got better, my speech impediment, it just went away.
” -- Missouri's Kim English

With the hindsight and confidence of a mature Division I athlete, English makes it all sound so simplistic and carefree. But as a kid growing up in inner-city Baltimore, he was cursed with the worst of afflictions. He was different. His stutter started not long after he began to speak, growing worse from the time he was about 4 and continuing through high school.

English's mother worked tirelessly with him and with teachers to give them strategies to help him learn. "It happened more when things weren't structured," Brenda Fowlkes said. "Everything for Kim had to be structured."

Except structure for a child goes out the door as soon as a bus door closes, leaving in its wake the harsh slap of reality.

Kids don't like different and are experts at finding a person's weakness.

English's was easily identifiable. Except he refused to hide, too confident and too smart to be ashamed, and so he let his body do the talking that his mouth couldn't muster.

The teasing came, and with it, English's two-fisted response. "I got in a lot of fights, especially in elementary school and middle school," he said.

Until he found a better way to deliver his message -- the basketball court. English's dad, Kim Sr., was a good player in his own right, a low-post load at Baltimore Community College. In his post-college career, he'd often let his son tag along to the adult league games, where Baltimore products David Wingate and Muggsy Bogues often suited up with the everyday Joes.

"He'd just sit and watch," said Kim Sr., who said he played like "Charles Barkley with a jump shot." He added, "And then he and I would play one-on-one. The day he finally beat me, you would have thought he hit the lottery."

English's game is different than his dad's, a byproduct of size as much as skill. He prefers to loiter on the outside rather than body-slam down low.

Regardless, on the basketball court, English finally found a place without a language barrier. Here he could speak without saying a word.

"I didn't stutter on the basketball court," he said. "I just destroyed people, and all of a sudden all the jokes went away, and as my confidence got better, my speech impediment, it just went away."

Here's the thing about confidence: It doesn't stick around forever.

Kim English's faith in himself hit a wall last season.

The evidence, as it always does, came in the numbers. English averaged just 10 points per game and shot only 36 percent from the floor, his statistics emblematic of a teamwide virus that sent the Tigers to an end-of-the-season skid. Missouri would lose five of its final six, including its first game in the NCAA tournament.

Kim English
English is averaging a career-best 16.9 points per game for the unbeaten Tigers this season.

It's easy to see with the benefit of hindsight what went wrong, and English -- as well as his dad -- can see it now clear as day. A team built on blue-collar fabric and designed to exist in an unselfish world instead turned diva.

"We didn't play as a team and no one was really held accountable," English said. "It was the elephant in the room. Everyone knew we were not playing selfless basketball, but it was never addressed and there was a snowball effect. I know I played selfishly. We weren't going into games with the right mindset at all."

Miles away, Kim Sr. saw the same thing. Years ago, he wondered if his son would ever believe in his basketball abilities as much as his father did. Game after game, night after night, Kim Sr. told his son that he was gifted, that he was special, but the son wrote it off as fatherly pride.

Finally, in a summer-league game in Florida, English saw that his father wasn't merely trying to pump him up.

"I don't remember the opponent," Kim Sr. said. "But we were down 12 points. Kimmie got into the game and hit four 3s in a row. From that point on, he started to believe."

That kid, though, had disappeared.

Kim Sr. last season instead saw a player who wanted so desperately to do well that he was pressing, and when the anxiety manifested itself into missed shots, the vicious cycle spiraled out of control.

After he was hired, Frank Haith saw it on game film, too.

"He didn't shoot the ball well because he was trying so hard," Haith said. "Then he lost confidence, and it just kept mounting and mounting for him."

It didn't help that, at season's end, his coach bolted for Arkansas, and the man hired was met with more skepticism than optimism and then was named by a rogue booster in an NCAA investigation.

Still, English was determined to make his own judgment about Haith, or more accurately to suspend all judgment. After his difficult junior season, English vowed to leave all outside questions and influences -- class trouble, girl trouble, NCAA trouble and conference rumors -- on the side of the court and to worry simply about his team and how Haith coached it.

The blinders have worked. Haith has replaced former coach Mike Anderson's system, one where basketball players are treated like hockey lines and subbed in every five minutes, to a more free-flowing offense. There is attention to defense but it is not at the expense of the offense.

English has blossomed.

"With Coach Haith, you don't have to worry. I know I'm going to play 35 minutes," English said. "And I know I can get a shot, so now I can focus on getting my teammates involved. Instead of focusing on ourselves, we're focusing on improving."

Englishscope24, English's Twitter handle, has made more than 10,000 observations and has 12,000-plus followers interested in his pearls of wisdom.

Whether his coach likes it or not.

"Now the tweeting stuff, I'm not always a big fan," Haith admitted. "I've got him on a watch now, but I also don't want to change who he is. I want every kid to be able to express who they are, but I also need to teach them how to grow off and on the court."

Some of English's observations are acerbic -- he criticized his own student section after a win against Binghamton on Nov. 27.

Some are silly -- "Practice at John Jay College in Manhattan! I guess John Jay was important in colonial history. Only John J I know is John Jenkins."

And sometimes he just quotes his favorite poem, "If."

This time the irony isn't lost on English.

The child who couldn't share his thoughts now spiels them to a Twitterverse unencumbered. The boy who struggled to speak is a media darling, a likable and quotable athlete who is a sportswriters' dream.

It is exactly as Rudyard Kipling promises in English's daily reading.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with Kings -- nor lose the common touch,

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And -- which is more -- you'll be a Man, my son!

Dana O'Neil covers college basketball for ESPN.com and can be reached at espnoneil@live.com. Follow Dana on Twitter: @dgoneil1.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball

Saul Good 12-06-2011 09:47 PM

In case you don't get ESPNU, the beaks are in a dogfight at home with a them wearing all yellow jerseys that just say "The Beach" on the front of them, and KU fans are bitching about the officiating.

eazyb81 12-07-2011 07:35 AM

Pretty awesome to hear a loud MIZ-ZOU chant in MSG last night.

Also nice to see that we can beat a team like Villanova by 10 with our C game.

This is going to be a fun season.

eazyb81 12-07-2011 07:50 AM

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COMMENTARY

Tigers inspire faith in Haith

By SAM MELLINGER

The Kansas City Star


NEW YORK | Nothing meaningful or lasting ever happens in college basketball in early December, and Villanova may just be overmatched against legitimate power conference competition, but with the disclaimers out of the way, here is a sentence that is absolutely true:

Missouri basketball coach Frank Haith is in the beginning stages of making more people eat their words than anyone in the Kansas City sports scene since Frank Martin.

Eight months after his hiring was mistaken by many as an awful practical joke, Haith’s team is undefeated and ranked 10th after an 81-71 win over Villanova at Madison Square Garden on national TV.

Not a fluke in sight, either. Oh, there are flaws. MU is small, and without much depth. There are no first-round picks here. A big and physical team — Kansas or even Texas A&M, for instance — is a bad matchup.

But with Mike Anderson taking his 40 minutes of pseudo (heck) to Arkansas, his own recruits are playing better than ever for the new guy.

“I’ve been on a lot of teams,” senior Ricardo Ratliffe says. “From high school, AAU, junior college, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it. This is the most unselfish team I’ve played on, and seen on TV. It’s once in a lifetime you get to be blessed and play on a team like this.”

He’s not lying: Against Villanova, they had 23 assists on 28 baskets, including nearly all of the most important ones.

Even some Kansas fans are tweeting that the Tigers are fun to watch, and why not?

This is a high-fiving, make-the-extra-pass, pat-’em-on-the-butt-when-a-teammate-comes-in bunch of college basketball orphans who’ve adopted the coach they didn’t choose as their own.

Beat three overmatched teams in the next two weeks, and Missouri will be 11-0 for the first time in 20 years entering the Illinois game.

People inside and around the program believe this is all more than happenstance. Haith inherited a talented team — Marcus Denmon made all-league last year and is averaging 21.3 points — that became instantly galvanized when their old coach left them and their new coach was trashed by many before his introductory news conference.

Maybe you saw Kim English’s tweet: You can tell a lot about a Head Coach that doesn’t sit in first class and sits in Coach w/ his troops. #Humble #FrankHaith!

This is more than a corny rallying cry to these guys. This is what they’ve become, or at least what they’re determined on becoming.
“We’re playing a game we love, and the style we have is really fun,” Denmon says. “The guys we have on this team, we really get along. I feel that’s something that translates to the game. I just feel like when all the guys have positive attitudes, every day in practice, it makes it a lot more fun to play. You win more games, too.”

When Denmon brings up this team’s style, it’s a good point.

They minimize their lack of size (Denmon is a 6-3 guard averaging 5.6 rebounds) and depth (a slower tempo and rare foul trouble), while maximizing their skill (No. 1 in offensive efficiency) and playmakers (Phil Pressey has 29 assists to five turnovers in his last three games).

Mizzou basketball now includes fewer unforced turnovers and fewer easy layups given up. Another way of putting it: They’ve stolen many of the strengths from Anderson’s years, leaving behind the frustrations.

Pressey and English, in particular, appear more comfortable in a system with more defined roles. There is a structure now that didn’t exist before, and if you believe your eyes and ears, a stronger sense of togetherness.

This is a precarious thing. MU has been off to hot starts before, only to fade late. Some of this, surely, is college basketball’s version
of early-season voodoo.

Ricardo Ratliffe has made 25 of 26 shots his last three games. English is hitting 55 percent of his three-pointers. Mizzou’s three power conference opponents so far are good matchups — Notre Dame and Cal are slow; Villanova small — and the absence of Laurence Bowers figures to catch up.

But there is also logic. Missouri may have better ball handlers and shooters than anyone they’ll play. Denmon is one of the Big 12’s best players, Pressey one of its best point guards, and Ratliffe is vastly improved around the rim.

Nobody can be sure how this little experiment will end, whether a group of experienced college basketball players can use a unifying love and specific strengths to overcome a few obvious shortcomings.

But we do know two things already: It’s already gone better than most of us expected, and it’ll be fun to watch the rest.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/06...-in-haith.html

Pasta Little Brioni 12-07-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8176766)
In case you don't get ESPNU, the beaks are in a dogfight at home with a them wearing all yellow jerseys that just say "The Beach" on the front of them, and KU fans are bitching about the officiating.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!!!

Saul Good 12-07-2011 09:35 AM

I've heard a lot of people say that we didn't play well last night, but I'm not sure I agree. I think it was a strong performance overall. The only stat that jumps out as a negative to me is our shooting by our point guards.

Pressey and Dixon combined for 3-21 shooting. We simply can't have that. I don't care that they only made 3 shots. Its the 21 attempts that are problematic. The rest of the team shot 25-45 from the field (56%). Why in the hell do our point guards feel the need to shoot 21 times when they can't throw it in the ocean, and the rest of the team can't miss?

If they are 2-10 instead of 3-21, we win that game by 20.

Molitoth 12-07-2011 09:45 AM

The problem was poor shot selection by Dixon and English.

English had a 3 on 1 he messed up on, and then decided to take it down himself vs 4 and miss that one as well when he shoulda slowed down and ate clock.

Saul Good 12-07-2011 09:50 AM

That was a poor decision by English, but he had 15 points on 12 shots including 3-7 from deep. He was not a problem by any stretch.

eazyb81 12-07-2011 09:52 AM

Kimmie also had a few big shots, including a big three at the end. I'm not going to harp on him much, he has been a much better player overall this year.

Ratliffe has been a beast too. He looks like a completely different player this season.

eazyb81 12-07-2011 12:16 PM

Rumor mill is saying to expect a big-time basketball visitor for this Saturday's game.....

DJ's left nut 12-07-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8177903)
Rumor mill is saying to expect a big-time basketball visitor for this Saturday's game.....

Schollies are full; get me some football recruits up in here, dammit!

Nixhex 12-07-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8177925)
Schollies are full; get me some football recruits up in here, dammit!

Dorial Green-Beckham for the WIN!


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