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2011 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=240326)

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 7712794)

Hochoker

Thanks. I'll get to see 5 solid and then I'll hit the team store and outfield stuff.

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7712715)

No one took a beating like Angel Berrora. People were pissed at that guy, then he went to the Yankees and won a world series

Um, wrong.
He went to the NLCS in 2008 with the Dodgers, but never played in a World Series game.

In 2009 he played in 21 regular season games with the Yankees and hit .136.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...erroan01.shtml

Why did they take Gordon out of the leadoff spot?

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Originally Posted by Carls20yearplan (Post 7713388)

Why did they take Gordon out of the leadoff spot?

Because Butler hits .20 points lower overall w/risp. ;)
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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 7712327)

Keep reaching, what's his stats for RISP in late inning games? If you want to prove your point, you may actually have to do some research yourself or give up your argument

I have said a number of times that I am not the one enamored with numbers.

These guy keep throwing out these numbers that mean jack in the situations that I am talking about.

I haven't watched Fatass for 4 years.

I am going by what I see this year, because this is the first year for the MLB package for me.

I don't care about numbers.

I know that I've watched Butler come up with runners on about 20 times in lat innings in close games, and he's come through twice.

I don't need numbers to tell me that's failing.

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7712581)

Let it be known that just because I defend Butler against milkman's ridiculous "I watch baseball" claims does not mean that I wouldn't trade the guy for a #2 starter in a heartbeat.

Butler is one of the best hitters on this team if not the best and an elite bat in this league. He lacks speed which hurts his value and he lacks defensive ability which hurts his value. That being said he is still one hell of a hitter and to think he is the problem is ridiculous, there are not many better DH's in the league right now, especially considering how young he is and how much potential exists for further development.

Can we move on to Frenchy, Melky or Getz bashing? I'd like to see Gio and Cain up soon.

I'm not saying that Butler is not a good hitter.

I'm saying he's a choker.

And you useless bastards can so suck on all the numbers you want, none of the numbers you are so enamored with prove otherwise.

Well, whatdayaknow, fatass gets a double in a critical situation.

That's 3.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7713602)

Well, whatdayaknow, fatass gets a double in a critical situation.

That's 3.

I'll take this opportunity to apologize to you.

We obviously disagree very strongly on some baseball issues, but you were trying to be polite and reasonable while I was being a snarky ass.

June can't end soon enough. These annual June swoons are sickening. 7-15 this month. In the midst of a 6-game skid.

Call up Gio, seriously

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7713202)

LMAO
You've been Demonpenz'd

http://kingsofkauffman.com/2011/06/2...-chip-we-have/

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Wil Myers is the best Trade Chip We Have

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By many accounts Wil Myers is the best prospect the Royals currently have in their farm system. Assuming that Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas will both lose prospect status with their time in the majors, Myers becomes the leader of the bevy of young talent the Royals have. Myers was a special talent coming out of high school and projects to be a special talent at all levels going forward. He got off to a slow start this year and battled some injuries, but he has picked it up in May and June and looks to be getting things back on track. His season numbers are not that impressive but that is mostly due to a poor April that saw him only hit .261 at the plate as the battled knee injuries and finally sat out a couple of weeks to get things right. He has looked more like the top 10 prospect we all thought he was going in to the season since returning from injury.

While Myers may be a great talent that many people are looking forward to, his biggest asset to the Royals may just be as a trade chip. Before all the prospect-ers around the Royals get up in arms, I ask you to hear me out. Currently the Royals reside at or near the top 10 in nearly every meaningful statistical categories in the Majors. The Royals are 6th in average, 7th in OBP, 15th in SLG, 11th in OPS, 11th in Runs scored, 1st in Stolen bases, and 6th in hits. Considering the last 10 World Series champions have averaged ranking 10th and 7th in OBP and SLG, respectively, the Royals have proved they can provide offense at the level close to a World Series champion to this point in the season.

Obviously, a talent like Wil Myers would only go to strengthen such an outfit, but he might be more valuable given what he could bring in return. Packaged with a high-risk, high-reward prospect like Chris Dwyer who has had some issues this season, and maybe another lower level prospect, the Royals could net something back in return that is quite good. If we use the Greinke trade as a model then the Royals could provide Myers, Dwyer, throw in Robinson Yambati and maybe a David Lough or Johnny Giavotella and the Royals could grab a legitimate ACE with that haul, without sacrificing the farm as the Brewers did. That leaves the Royals with their top 3 pitching prospects still intact, not to mention Jason Adam, Noel Arguelles, and Yordano Ventura, giving them a total of 6 possible front end prospects left to move through the system.

Further, with Bubba Starling coming in they would have an elite hitting prospect coming into the system, coupled with the emergence of Cheslor Cuthbert and others, the Royals are not without hitting depth either. This is also not taking into account that current young stars Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, et. al. who are only going to get better.

Here is the question that is posed, if my trade proposal is Myers, Dwyer, Yambati, Lough and the Royals could net a Felix Hernandez or a Jered Weaver, would you make the trade? I am not an expert on trade value so I’m not sure if that would net out, but if not, then set me straight and tell me who the Royals could get with that package. Personally, I would make the trade, but that comes with a caveat. I would only make that trade if I knew that the person I’m trading for would be here long term.

Hernandez probably doesn’t want to spend the next 10 years in Kansas City so he wouldn’t be the one to go after, but if the Royals could find a willing party who is ready to commit and will be here when this team’s window opens up 2014-2016, I would pull the trigger on this.

What say you Royals fans, would you make the trade?

If you can think of a better package, please post below and let us know what you think the Royals’ best trade option would be.

I said a couple weeks ago that we're about to reach the point of the year where people were going to start giving up on the young guys and talking veterans again, but this craziness has progressed even faster than I thought. There's some really crazy stuff being thrown out there. At this point, give it another month and we'll have people saying Hosmer and Moose should be sent down, and/or traded.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7714385)

Heh, yeah, it's almost as bad as the people who think a guy like Cabrera or Frency is going to net us a stud prospect or good ML pitcher... I'd rather have as many young guys up as possible (as long as they're ready) & watch them struggle as they adjust to the majors than try and trade them for vets who probably don't want to be here and probably wouldn't make that much of a difference...

I mean, as frustrating as this team is, I still firmly believe that Hos, Moose & Duffy can turn into good/great players in the not too distant future, which alleviates some of that frustration. Those 3, plus a few guys like Escobar, Gordon & Soria are about the only reason I haven't totally given up on watching this team.

If ever there was a town that needed its major leage baseball team to win, it's this one.

Royals just have no starting pitching, thats the bottom line.

Young guys are playing like well you guessed young guys. They do some good shit but they do some bat crazy shit as well. Part of them maturing, but I have seen alot of good out of them that we shouldn't worry too much.