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Has he run from law enforcement? Are you the same guy that earlier said he or anyone else would be foolish to cooperate with the police?

Unfortunately, our citizens often can't understand process. I can't even begin to tell you my experiences in jury duty over the years (as well as serving on a jury) which have completely taken me by surprise due to the incompetence and sub-90 IQ levels of the other jurors.

That's fine and that's your right. I never said that someone should be allowed to form an opinion based on the leaks. But to infer that the entire legal process should be skipped in favor of locking him up or executing him, is wrong and outright sick, IMO.

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Well, the first assumption we jump to HAS to be the truth.

He hasn't, but it appears quite likely he destroyed evidence. So my point is that the law allows for an inference that "innocent people don't act this way" and the destruction of salient evidence would certainly seem to qualify, would it not?

And yes, I did say that an individual is silly to cooperate with law enforcement. There's a big big difference between not voluntarily disclosing information and actively destroying evidence.

That's why the law doesn't allow you to infer guilt from someone hiring a lawyer but will allow you to infer guilt from a number of other acts/omissions.

Him and his boys were probably high on PCP. Explains the smashed up equipment and the clean up crew.

maybe he destroyed it, because of something else, maybe dudes into the bdsm lifestyle and didnt want anyone see'ing it. lol we dont know. Or maybe its just a media leak thats totally fabricated.

Thanks, it sounds like you have at least some inside knowledge of gang culture. I'm not going to say your knowledge is greater than mine, because I have seen Boyz N Tha Hood and Menace II Society several times and I also stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

And I would argue that destroying a surveillance system, in and of itself, is evidence of nothing. I could walk upstairs and tear out my ADT Pulse system and it wouldn't prove that I committed a crime.

If the only thing he destroyed was his surveillance system, I still don't view that as a crime in and of itself. There's no way to prove that anything of substance had been recorded on said system.


I understand and I also understand that warrants are issued so that law enforcement can attempt to ascertain and collect evidence. I also believe that things don't appear to be going so well for Hernandez in this particular case.

But I'm not ready to convict him based on what little evidence we have at this time.

Again, on an internet chat board, I'm going to stick to reviewing this in the context of "the most likely scenario".

But if you really want to argue that the more likely scenario is that Aaron Hernandez destroyed his security system 24 hours after gunshots were heard in his upper-class neighborhood because he was afraid someone might see videos of him in a rubber-suit, go ahead and give it your best shot.

People that view the justice system as you view it ("well the **** if I know, maybe it was aliens!") are as bad or worse for its just administration as those that want to hang them all and let God sort them out.

Evidence of nothing? Well that's just wrong. Is it compelling evidence on its own? Of course not, but a brick does not have to be a wall. A man physically demolishing a sophisticated security system in his own home raises alarm bells in my world. I wouldn't convict on it, but it's still evidence.

I just get frustrated by the fact that the average juror in criminal matters refuses to stack the bricks. They want one goddamn piece of drywall the size of bus. You can give them 1,000 damn bricks and they'll leave them sitting in piles on the ground, each time saying "well that isn't evidence" because it won't convict on it's own.

Yes. Destroying your security system is evidence. Demolishing your cell phone is evidence. Hiring a new cleaning crew the monday after the murder is evidence. Bodies being found near vehicles rented in your name is evidence. All of these are decent little bricks and it takes common ****ing sense to act as mortar.

And all too often, people completely refuse to exercise it. As a consequence, people like Casey Anthony get to murder their children and walk away.

My complete lack of confidence in juries to convict anymore is why I'll never step anywhere near a criminal courtroom. Juries have forgotten that they act as both gatekeepers for the authorities but also as people responsible for dispensing justice those that have been wronged.

All because Gus Grissom finds blood and semen in every crime scene he's in and because we've become a society that adheres to a victim's mentality.

Mr. Hernandez, call for you from Rae Carruth on the white courtesy phone.

I agree that if you look at the aggregate of evidence, it's quite possible that he was involved in the murder of this man. But whether it's enough for a conviction is up to a judge and jury, not idiots on Twitter and Facebook and every other type of social media.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but here in Cali, the prosecutors seem to be able to put the dumbest human beings alive on juries. Maybe it's because of our lax rules regarding juries (length of time paid by employers, personal hardship, etc.) but it's absolutely astounding.

I've served on juries with the elderly, with people who's first language is not English (not that there's anything wrong with that outside of criminal proceedings), with government workers that were "happy" to have the "vacation" away from the Post Office and what not, etc. and so on.

And people wonder why Casey Anthony and O.J. walk.

Yep.

I think there's even more to it than that. I think that some people can't make a conscious decision to convict someone. I think that some people don't want to be involved in a murder trial, a rape trial, a drug trial, for fear of not only judging someone and seeing that type of horror first hand, but for fear of retribution.

i know you didnt ask me but i have seen it multiple times first hand