Originally Posted by penguinz

Restaurants will not lose $ because of no smoking laws. They stand a good chance of increasing their $. Smokers tend to sit around and enjoy a smoke or 20 before, during and after food. The non-smokers tend to eat and then leave. This frees up the table for more customers.

Originally Posted by Third Eye

Especially since it's as simple as going to a non-smoking restaurant. I mean, com'n. How much of a whiner does a non-smoker have to be? Just go somewhere else, don't smoke your cigarette, and shut the **** up. Okay?

Originally Posted by penchief

Actually, it was a huge part of my internship. So I do know quite a bit about the statistics and it is a proven fact that second hand smoke is a cancer causing agent. But citing statistics has never been my tact. I would much rather people explain to me their own logic for their own positions. I think that my logic in favor of protecting the rights of non-smokers is much stronger than those who defend the rights of smokers to impose the negative health consequences of their choice onto others.

Especially since it's as simple as taking it outside. I mean, com'n. How much of a whiner does a smoker have to be? Just step outside, smoke your cigarette, and shut the **** up. Okay?

Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

Smokers aren't asking for new laws. Non smokers are. Who's the whiny bitches that need to shut the **** up? The ones that are living their lives, minding their own business? Or is it the people that want to impose their way of life on everyone else? You sound like a douchebag when you post shit like this. The last line ruined the entire post.

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I'm Ok with this.

In order to be Ok with this, though, you have to be prepared to watch people starve to death. You have to be able to bear the images of people lying, sick and dying, with no medical care.

I'm ready. I know very few people that can/would deal with that, though.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So please, spare me the idea that people are personally responsible in regards to smoking.

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

I think it should be left to the business owner, in any case.

I think it should be left to the customers to decide if they want to vote with their dollars in a non-smoking or smoking establishment.

I think it should be left to employees to decide for themselves if they want to work in a non-smoking or smoking environment.

JMO.

Originally Posted by bogey

I'd venture to say that most people ARE personally responsible in regards to smoking.

Originally Posted by penchief

What is worse? Having to go outside to get your fix or imposing the consequences of your habit onto others?

Is it really that big of a deal for you to go outside? Man, you must be a real pussy (and a self-centered pussy, to boot).

Originally Posted by penchief

I know that you're not trying to pick a fight.

Let's say that grocery stores still allowed smoking. Why should I be exposed to cancer causing agents when all I'm trying to do is survive by going to the store to buy food to eat?

Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

Just be prepared for it be you due to some accident that you have zero control over. Then be prepared to either watch your kids starve to death, or kill them and eat them to save yourself. Once you're there, you've got a deal.

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Before the smoking bans where exactly were these f**king mythical non-smoking restaurants?

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I'm not afraid of death, either mine or a loved one's. It's going to happen.

Also, let's define "zero control". What part of you life is it that you think you have zero control of?