Wrong. You are either a great, good or bad player. Putting a great player on a bad team does not magically make them worthless. Great rationale though:rolleyes:

Way to fail reading his post. He said they wouldn't be as effective, not that they would be worthless. Which is a valid point.

Worthless and "not nearly as effective" are 2 different things.

His point is.....if we had a front 7 that could wreck havoc in the backfield like PIT or BAL can, force the QB to rush his throws, make bad decisions, move around in the pocket not being able to plant his feet and make a good throw, hell yes that GREATLY can help a secondary. Might even make our safeties look good.

No, it wouldn't.

Pollard would still **** up.

He wouldn't magically become a ballhawk or a good tackler.

He'd still be a worthless, overhyped player who misses tackles and compiles a whopping one pass defensed in 16 games.

ROFL again mecca with the big ol WTF post. what the **** has that got to do with anything?

I don't think that sentiment is entirely off-base. Pro football is not the kind of game where a guy can carry an entire unit on his own. The better the roster around him, the more likely it is that a good player will be free to make an impact, and become a great one.

The only people that "hype" Pollard are Chiefs fans.

I think that so many Chiefs fans have become so used to a sub-par football team that they just don't know the difference between an adequate player and even an average player.

Pollard sucks ass. If Pioli can get a 6th rounder for the guy, get it.

They need all the ammo they can get to improve this team's talent.

That's fine.

But there are guys that are football players and there are guys that play football.

Pollard (and most of the Chiefs squad) unfortunately fall into the latter category (hence 3 winning seasons in the past decade).

It's a valid point, but if we were able to get one of the safeties and address the NT position we all the sudden have an outstanding secondary and a potential great DLine. That DLine will make our LBers better, we'd still need a few more pieces but thats the makings of a great defense for when we are contending.

I think he's the black Tyler Thigpen. Great attitude, plays hard, makes a few plays, etc.

He also looks terrific in tights. The closet homosexuals of Chiefsplanet subconsciously love his glutes.

Bullshit. MLB is a more important position than safety. That's a fact.

I have no problem in drafting any position that is a position of need for the team, whether it be ROLB, LOT, QB, S, MLB, TE, ROT or whathaveyou. But I think it's hypocritical to say it's okay to draft a safety with the first pick because all of a sudden there is this one guy there that people might like, but it's not okay to draft other position because historically they haven't gone in the top five. Safety is most certainly one of those positions, so don't get all high and mighty about other positions in terms of draft day positional value when you are telling me that it's okay to draft a fuggin' safety.

So, if we are looking at the state of the current roster, and it's okay to draft a safety with a top five pick, then I want Trent Williams, because I'm sick of quarterbacks getting killed on this team and having our running backs trying to fit through mouse holes. The entire right side of the line, including the center, is a goddamn disaster and is certainly more important than the safety position.

That being said, I think that you can get three top flight guys for positions of need for the Chiefs with their two second and one third round picks in next years draft in RT, MLB and TE with Zane Beadles, Joe Pawelek and Dennis Pitta which would leave the #1 for that freak play maker - a guy like Dunlap (and I understand that he's an athletic guy that would be more of a 43 end, but the dude is 6'6", 295 lb. and strong as an ox - if you couldn't use a guy like that, even in a 34, you aren't trying very hard), Suh (Cody looks to be just a big fat guy with the label as being a slacker, which is not a good sign for a 380 lb. guy, whereas Suh is simply a beast - at least when I've seen him play, and they say he's able to play anywhere on the line and looks like he could carry 30 more lbs. and you wouldn't even notice it on him), or Kindle (if he can continue his level of play without having the benefit of teams doubling up on Orakpo, his numbers and size say he should be a top ten talent).

Several players being shopped
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


"The Green Bay Packers have been shopping several players heading into the deadline for mandatory roster cuts Saturday.

Several league personnel sources said that among the players the Packers have been shopping are tackle Tony Moll and safeties Charlie Peprah and Aaron Rouse. All three would be candidates to be released when the Packers have to trim their roster from 75 to 53.

It's not unusual for the Packers to make calls around the league to see if there would be interest in making a trade. Their hope would be that a team low on the waiver priority list would want one of the players they're offering and be willing to trade a draft pick to cut in front of the other teams.

At least two linemen are being shopped by the Packers and presumably one of the others is center Scott Wells, who lost a training camp competition with Jason Spitz for a starting spot. However, none of the scouts specifically identified Wells as trade bait.

If Moll is on the block, it indicates that the Packers are considering releasing him and want to see if they can get compensation instead. Of the backup linemen, Wells has the most trade value, but the Packers would have to get a strong offer for him because their only other option now to back up Spitz is rookie free agent Evan Deitrich-Smith."

I should've been more clear. I wasn't talking about Pollard, I was talking about guys like Ed Reed. I don't think he'd be the same player on the Chiefs circa 2002-2008 as he was/is with Baltimore. He'd still be good, because he is good, but I don't think he'd have been a sportscenter highlight reel playing under Robinson or Gunther, not if a whole lot of other players didn't come with him.

Which isn't any kind of comment on Pollard. We knew what he was when he was drafted, which is a hitter who hasn't shown any ability to cover. Fortunately this defense fits his skillset more than the cover-2. But I don't think he'll ever be John Lynch. Which is an ironic comparison to make. I suppose I should've said "I don't think he'll ever be Troy Polamalu."

Gunther probably would have moved Ed Reed to corner.

He might well have.