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Chiefnj2 09-23-2009 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6101960)
I think kcunited(?) nailed it.

Whitlock took an off the cuff comment from Haley and sensationalized it, and took a media dinnner and portrayed the interaction in the worst light possible.

I have no doubt that Pioli has an ego, and also don't doubt that he sometimes interrupted Haley when talking, but I highly doubt that it was as glaringly rude and obnoxious as Whitlock portrayed.

I also think that Haley does probably like Brodie's physical gifts better than Cassel's, and should Cassel not progress and begin to play at a higher level, he wuld certainly pull him in favor of Croyle.

But Whitlocok has taken Haley's honest answer and twisted to mean more than what it is.
Even Gretz concedes that Haley started the seeds of a QB controversy. It's not just Whitlock.

OnTheWarpath15 09-23-2009 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6102055)
Even Gretz concedes that Haley started the seeds of a QB controversy. It's not just Whitlock.
I saw the a snippet of the AP story on CBS Sports with the title, "Cassel to start, but on a leash" well before Whitlock or anyone else commented on it.

Hell, it's gone national now.

htismaqe 09-23-2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6102055)
Even Gretz concedes that Haley started the seeds of a QB controversy. It's not just Whitlock.
To be fair, Haley didn't START anything. This was being talked about nationally at HALFTIME of the Baltimore game.

That being said, Haley certainly hasn't done anything to prevent those seeds from sprouting. He could have squashed it instantly, but he didn't.

Otter 09-23-2009 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6101982)
I'm going to go ahead and say it, because it's really been gnawing at me since Pioli was hired.

While I give Clark Hunt credit for going out and bringing in the most sought after GM candidate over the last 3 or 4 years, a guy that has turned down opportunities elsewhere, he wasn't the guy I wanted to see hired.

As a result, I can't help but wonder if we would be better if we had brought in Eric DeCosta (the guy I was really hoping that Hunt would give serious condsideration to), Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, and Rey Maulauga, as opposed to Pioli, Haley, Cassel and Vrabel.

I like what Haley's doing, and think in time this team will produce.

But I can't help think, "What if".

I really love the defensive aggressiveness that Ryan plays with.
The only move I question so far is Cassel. As I've been hoping that the chiefs would draft a QB since Montana was behind center and stick with him for 3 years hell or high water before making a decision on whether to stick or move on.

Piolli wasn't the only one drooling over Cassel though and one game isn't even remotely close to fair to judge him on.

No one is more disappointed than me we didn't draft and develop - again - but let's not get ready to break out the torches and pitchforks just yet. It's going to be at least three years before we know what's going to come out of these guys.

The Franchise 09-23-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6101982)
I'm going to go ahead and say it, because it's really been gnawing at me since Pioli was hired.

While I give Clark Hunt credit for going out and bringing in the most sought after GM candidate over the last 3 or 4 years, a guy that has turned down opportunities elsewhere, he wasn't the guy I wanted to see hired.

As a result, I can't help but wonder if we would be better if we had brought in Eric DeCosta (the guy I was really hoping that Hunt would give serious condsideration to), Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, and Rey Maulauga, as opposed to Pioli, Haley, Cassel and Vrabel.

I like what Haley's doing, and think in time this team will produce.

But I can't help think, "What if".

I really love the defensive aggressiveness that Ryan plays with.
Wow.....I wanna cry.

Just Passin' By 09-23-2009 09:55 AM
Well, Whitlock has successfully stirred the shit pot with another lousy article. It's amazing how little it takes to get the usual suspects trolling along behind his arguments.

MahiMike 09-23-2009 10:01 AM
That's the 1st article Whitlock has written worth reading in 3 months. I think he's gotten even more cynical (if that's possible). At one time, there was balance in KC; Gretz was the "Yes" man, Posnaski wrote the feel good stories, and Whitlock would be the contrarian. Now, Posnaski is gone and even Gretz is becoming doom and gloom. Guess Whitlock has to turn up the shock to remain relevant.

ArrowheadHawk 09-23-2009 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 6101174)
Shit like this makes the departure of Joe Posnanski hurt that much more.

Honestly, has anything gone well for Kansas City professional sports in the last ten years?
2000 Wizards win MLS cup.

Otter 09-23-2009 10:15 AM
Another angle to take from all this: Whitlock's job is at stake with Pioli not giving him inside access.

How far would you be willing to go and how much shit would you be willing to stir to keep your lively hood? I'd be willing to bet one of your guys testicles that's a factor here as well.

milkman 09-23-2009 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6102055)
Even Gretz concedes that Haley started the seeds of a QB controversy. It's not just Whitlock.
He essentially sewed the seeds because he remained true to his mantra, the one he has consistently followed since he took this job, that no one's job is safe if they don't perform.

Anything less from Haley is his discussion of Cassel would have been every bit as controversial.

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 6102196)
Another angle to take from all this: Whitlock's job is at stake with Pioli not giving him inside access.

How far would you be willing to go and how much shit would you be willing to stir to keep your lively hood? I'd be willing to bet one of your guys testicles that's a factor here as well.
No ****ing way.

The Kansas City Star has a sportswriter that's constantly on the national stage. Why would they fire him because he couldn't penetrate the new Arrowhead regime in the first 9 months?

That's as ridiculous as firing Haley after game two.

Chiefnj2 09-23-2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6102275)
He essentially sewed the seeds because he remained true to his mantra, the one he has consistently followed since he took this job, that no one's job is safe if they don't perform.

Anything less from Haley is his discussion of Cassel would have been every bit as controversial.
No it wouldn't. QB is always different.

DaneMcCloud 09-23-2009 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6102275)
He essentially sewed the seeds because he remained true to his mantra, the one he has consistently followed since he took this job, that no one's job is safe if they don't perform.

Anything less from Haley is his discussion of Cassel would have been every bit as controversial.
I still can't and won't believe this "sacred cow" bullshit until Niswanger and Goff are replaced.

How they remain on the team (let alone as starters) is beyond my ability to comprehend.

keg in kc 09-23-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6102279)
No ****ing way.

The Kansas City Star has a sportswriter that's constantly on the national stage. Why would they fire him because he couldn't penetrate the new Arrowhead regime in the first 9 months?

That's as ridiculous as firing Haley after game two.
It would be quite a precedent. It's not like he's ever been fired before.

Otter 09-23-2009 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6102279)
No ****ing way.

The Kansas City Star has a sportswriter that's constantly on the national stage. Why would they fire him because he couldn't penetrate the new Arrowhead regime in the first 9 months?

That's as ridiculous as firing Haley after game two.
You don't think not having the access to Chiefs that Whitlock used to under Carl Peterson makes him more expendable at The Star and frustrates him into writing these articles?


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