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mcaj22 03-07-2014 03:36 PM
if you think Willie Roaf to Brandon Albert is bad

just wait for the transition from Albert to Fisher/Stephenson, when Alex Smith is getting blind sided from a clean edge rusher that whichever one of our slap dick LTs just alligator arms.

Discuss Thrower 03-07-2014 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472322)
if you think Willie Roaf to Brandon Albert is bad

just wait for the transition from Albert to Fisher/Stephenson, when Alex Smith is getting blind sided from a clean edge rusher that whichever one of our slap dick LTs just alligator arms.
If that's the case then the playoff game will be the most productive Chiefs offense we might see for another year.

LoneWolf 03-07-2014 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472322)
if you think Willie Roaf to Brandon Albert is bad

just wait for the transition from Albert to Fisher/Stephenson, when Alex Smith is getting blind sided from a clean edge rusher that whichever one of our slap dick LTs just alligator arms.
They played games without Albert last season and Alex had adequate protection.

mcaj22 03-07-2014 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10472328)
If that's the case then the playoff game will be the most productive Chiefs offense we might see for another year.
I hope it's not the case, but that

"elite LT" argument is stupid, because we are about to see a major drop off with two guys that have a total of 3 years NFL experience between them. They will have major growing pains. And our QB might pay for it.

They should really bring in a veteran swing tackle as insurance.

Easy 6 03-07-2014 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472322)
if you think Willie Roaf to Brandon Albert is bad

just wait for the transition from Albert to Fisher/Stephenson, when Alex Smith is getting blind sided from a clean edge rusher that whichever one of our slap dick LTs just alligator arms.
Too many high scouting grades on each, too much potential between them, atleast one of those two will be fine at LT... Albert is not only replaceable, its possible to upgrade from him.

mcaj22 03-07-2014 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10472330)
They played games without Albert last season and Alex had adequate protection.
Alex got sacked 5 times when Albert sat out that Colts game Stephenson played LT at.

mcaj22 03-07-2014 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10472335)
Too many high scouting grades on each, too much potential between them, atleast one of those two will be fine at LT... Albert is not only replaceable, its possible to upgrade from him.
I heard this about Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson on the defensive line and all we got out of them was a bunch of losing seasons and 1 contract departures.

The potential thing sucks when you have a 30 year old QB and the top 2 RB in the league with a NOW window.

Eric Fisher has to look like a pro bowler TODAY not tomorrow. Not potential and high grades. They have to have the best offseason program ever. So I hope that's the case.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472322)
if you think Willie Roaf to Brandon Albert is bad

just wait for the transition from Albert to Fisher/Stephenson, when Alex Smith is getting blind sided from a clean edge rusher that whichever one of our slap dick LTs just alligator arms.
Stephenson is a much smaller drop-off than Fisher at this point.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472351)
I heard this about Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson on the defensive line and all we got out of them was a bunch of losing seasons and 1 contract departures.

The potential thing sucks when you have a 30 year old QB and the top 2 RB in the league with a NOW window.

Eric Fisher has to look like a pro bowler TODAY not tomorrow. Not potential and high grades. They have to have the best offseason program ever. So I hope that's the case.
Great post.

LoneWolf 03-07-2014 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472342)
Alex got sacked 5 times when Albert sat out that Colts game Stephenson played LT at.
How many of those sacks were given up by Stephenson or Fisher?

Easy 6 03-07-2014 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10472351)
I heard this about Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson on the defensive line and all we got out of them was a bunch of losing seasons and 1 contract departures.

The potential thing sucks when you have a 30 year old QB and the top 2 RB in the league with a NOW window.

Eric Fisher has to look like a pro bowler TODAY not tomorrow. Not potential and high grades. They have to have the best offseason program ever. So I hope that's the case.
I'm not gonna spend a half hour digging them up, but Sacc has posted some scouting reports on Stephenson that had him very highly rated, but dropped down teams boards for some reason, might've been coming out too early in a very strong class or something along those lines.

Point is that none of us will really know how to gauge things until camp/preseason... I'm sure both guys know whats at stake not only for the team but for their careers, so I'd bet both are working like mules to get ready.

We'll see, guess I'm just more optimistic.

ed* WOW cant believe the filter edited out that word, its not at ALL anything bad... that's ****ing stupid.

ct 03-07-2014 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10472294)
The problem with Branden Albert is that we've seen elite. After watching Willie Roaf for those glorious years, it is next to impossible for me to say Albert is elite. He isn't.

He might be one of the best in the league right now, but that doesn't make him elite. He still struggles against speed rushers and frankly doesn't dominate his position the way you expect a franchise left tackle to. You don't look at Albert lined up against a talented pass rusher, then move down the line because you have sheer confidence in him. At least, I sure as hell wouldn't if I were QB.

It's just that you have to pay top dollar for a top tackle, even if he isn't "historically" elite - that is, he isn't elite for the position compared to the benchmark set by guys no longer in the league. But compared to the rest of the guys now, yes... he is "elite" and he commands a lot of money as such.

To put it another way, Branden Albert is a B+ tackle who will be paid like an A+ tackle. And for me, I'd rather have a B or B- tackle, but paid accordingly, and use that money elsewhere to get rid of a C player.

But that's me. I'm 100% in favor of dumping guys who are overpaid for their skill level, though they might not be overpaid according to their ranking in the league.
Imo THIS is how you build a roster. Including the B range QB, who I certainly hope will note be receiving an A range contract. Frankly tho every QB seems to get an A+ contract these days, so I shouldn't be surprised...

Titty Meat 03-07-2014 04:15 PM
This is looking like a 5-11 6-10 team

Discuss Thrower 03-07-2014 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 10472414)
This is looking like a 5-11 6-10 team
2004 Chiefs all over again.

mcaj22 03-07-2014 04:38 PM
surprised ChiefsandOs hasnt posted the Darnell Dockett tweets on Albert yet (or did he?)


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