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Dave Lane 09-03-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 10871228)
Yeah, the Raiders are getting it. Even if Carr doesn't pan out, they are trying to draft and develop their own which shows a commitment to long term success (potentially).

And I'm sure if Carr doesn't pan, they will try this again; it's a numbers game. Eventually they will land their 10+ year stud.

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

R8RFAN 09-03-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10876310)
Meanwhile back at the ranch...

The Chiefs will still suck

Just Passin' By 09-03-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 10871228)
Yeah, the Raiders are getting it. Even if Carr doesn't pan out, they are trying to draft and develop their own which shows a commitment to long term success (potentially).

And I'm sure if Carr doesn't pan, they will try this again; it's a numbers game. Eventually they will land their 10+ year stud.

Raiders QBs drafted since Stabler in 1968

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2014 2 4 36 Derek Carr Fresno State
2013 4 15 112 Tyler Wilson Arkansas
2011s 3 0 0 Terrelle Pryor Ohio State
2007 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State
2005 3 5 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State
2002 7 24 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina
2001 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington
1993 3 2 58 Billy Joe Hobert Washington
1991 1 24 24 Todd Marinovich USC
1990 12 13 317 Major Harris West Virginia
1989 6 1 140 Jeff Francis Tennessee
1988 11 6 283 David Weber Carroll College
1987 4 26 110 Steve Beuerlein Notre Dame
1985 6 3 143 Rusty Hilger Oklahoma State
1984 12 28 336 Randy Essington Colorado
1983 12 26 333 Scott Lindquist Northern Arizona
1980 1 15 15 Marc Wilson Brigham Young
1976 2 22 50 Jeb Blount Tulsa
1975 5 24 128 David Humm Nebraska
1975 9 24 232 Harry Knight Richmond
1975 14 24 362 Tom Doyle Yale
1973 8 23 205 Mike Rae USC
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.ph...sition/raiders

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-03-2014 01:22 PM

Keep swinging 'till you hit.

End..

of...

Story.

Kaepernick 09-03-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10876446)
Keep swinging 'till you hit.

End..

of...

Story.

Yep! Finding a franchise QB is a necessity, not a luxury. You keep working until you get one, if you are serious about winning the super bowl. A lot of owners are content with being in the exclusive NFL owners club and seeing butts in the seats and not passionate about winning a super bowl. Al Davis fell off a cliff the last 20 years of his life, but on thing is for sure, nobody would ever accuse him of not being passionate about winning a super bowl and trying everything he could to do so.

Unlike William Clay Ford, Jr.

Kaepernick 09-03-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10876334)
Raiders QBs drafted since Stabler in 1968

2014 2 4 36 Derek Carr Fresno State
2013 4 15 112 Tyler Wilson Arkansas
2011s 3 0 0 Terrelle Pryor Ohio State
2007 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State
2005 3 5 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State
2002 7 24 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina
2001 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington
1993 3 2 58 Billy Joe Hobert Washington
1991 1 24 24 Todd Marinovich USC
1990 12 13 317 Major Harris West Virginia
1989 6 1 140 Jeff Francis Tennessee
1988 11 6 283 David Weber Carroll College
1987 4 26 110 Steve Beuerlein Notre Dame
1985 6 3 143 Rusty Hilger Oklahoma State
1984 12 28 336 Randy Essington Colorado
1983 12 26 333 Scott Lindquist Northern Arizona
1980 1 15 15 Marc Wilson Brigham Young
1976 2 22 50 Jeb Blount Tulsa
1975 5 24 128 David Humm Nebraska
1975 9 24 232 Harry Knight Richmond
1975 14 24 362 Tom Doyle Yale
1973 8 23 205 Mike Rae USC

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.ph...sition/raiders


The QB Raiders picks by round are shown below. They gave it a modest try, but not sure that 6 serious draft picks in 40 years is really trying. Most QBs who work out from from the 1st round, some from the second and then start to fall off a cliff.

Raiders drafted 21 QBs in 40 years, but only 3 first rounders. That is not going to get it done. Sure, they blew those picks, even if Marc Wilson was serviceable, but you don't quit trying.

Pathetic.



1st round - 3
2nd round - 3
3rd round - 2
4th round - 2
5th round - 1
6th round - 2
7th round - 1
8th round - 1
9th round - 1
11th round - 1
12th round - 3
supplement - 1




2007 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State
1991 1 24 24 Todd Marinovich USC
1980 1 15 15 Marc Wilson Brigham Young

2014 2 4 36 Derek Carr Fresno State
2001 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington
1976 2 22 50 Jeb Blount Tulsa


2005 3 5 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State
1993 3 2 58 Billy Joe Hobert Washington

2013 4 15 112 Tyler Wilson Arkansas
1987 4 26 110 Steve Beuerlein Notre Dame

1975 5 24 128 David Humm Nebraska

1989 6 1 140 Jeff Francis Tennessee
1985 6 3 143 Rusty Hilger Oklahoma State

2002 7 24 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina

1973 8 23 205 Mike Rae USC

1975 9 24 232 Harry Knight Richmond

1988 11 6 283 David Weber Carroll College

1990 12 13 317 Major Harris West Virginia
1984 12 28 336 Randy Essington Colorado
1983 12 26 333 Scott Lindquist Northern Arizona

1975 14 24 362 Tom Doyle Yale


2011s 3 0 0 Terrelle Pryor Ohio State

R8RFAN 09-03-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10876480)
Yep! Finding a franchise QB is a necessity, not a luxury. You keep working until you get one, if you are serious about winning the super bowl. A lot of owners are content with being in the exclusive NFL owners club and seeing butts in the seats and not passionate about winning a super bowl. Al Davis fell off a cliff the last 20 years of his life, but on thing is for sure, nobody would ever accuse him of not being passionate about winning a super bowl and trying everything he could to do so.

Unlike William Clay Ford, Jr.

When the Raiders were good in the late 90's - early 2000's everybody wanted to play there but after black Sunday everything went downhill fast. After 3 or 4 years of being bad, Al started severely over paying to get players to play for them, He was a brilliant mind in his time but he wanted to do it his way until the end and it was his choice to do so because it was his team. Al was a great guy, the players loved him but he crippled his own team severely with his reaches. Yea, he made alot of bad choices but also delivered 3 Superbowl trophies as well. Al was a fun owner, I wish he had stepped down and put it in capable hands and had a chance to enjoy the team instead of it being in such a long funk at the time he died.

Chronic 09-03-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 10876089)
As I noted. However you also have to consider the front 7. Ryan is going to release the dogs to make up for it. Running the ball plays to the strength of their defense. Without an established running game he will be facing passing situations constantly. Rex Ryan is a very sharp defensive coach. He is going to show this kid a whole bunch of different looks blitz and coverage. If they get the ground game going and keep the front 7 honest he should find some open receivers. That said it ain’t going to be no walk in the park. I would love it if he lights things up and will gladly eat crow~

Lineup in a spread- 4 WR sets- they wanna blitz you can beat that for big yards on dumpoffs to RB's

Kaepernick 09-03-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10876581)
When the Raiders were good in the late 90's - early 2000's everybody wanted to play there but after black Sunday everything went downhill fast. After 3 or 4 years of being bad, Al started severely over paying to get players to play for them, He was a brilliant mind in his time but he wanted to do it his way until the end and it was his choice to do so because it was his team. Al was a great guy, the players loved him but he crippled his own team severely with his reaches. Yea, he made alot of bad choices but also delivered 3 Superbowl trophies as well. Al was a fun owner, I wish he had stepped down and put it in capable hands and had a chance to enjoy the team instead of it being in such a long funk at the time he died.

People forget that Al Davis is one of the most monumental figures in the evolution of the NFL into what it is today. He did it all. Fan, player, coach, commissioner, owner.

What you say about his decline is true, but I would add he fell so in love with speed that he drafted track stars instead of football players. Later in his tenure, he drafted a lot of fast guys who didn't pan out because they weren't very good as football players. He fell too in love with speed. He needed someone to temper that desire in him, but nobody could or would, so he went off the rails.

R8RFAN 09-03-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chronic (Post 10876600)
Lineup in a spread- 4 WR sets- they wanna blitz you can beat that for big yards on dumpoffs to RB's

Looks like a great game for a great Fullback to get involved

R8RFAN 09-03-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10876622)
People forget that Al Davis is one of the most monumental figures in the evolution of the NFL into what it is today. He did it all. Fan, player, coach, commissioner, owner.

What you say about his decline is true, but I would add he fell so in love with speed that he drafted track starts instead of football players. Later in his tenure, he drafted a lot of fast guys who didn't pan out because they weren't very good as football players. He fell too in love with speed. He needed someone to temper that desire in him, but nobody could or would, so he went off the rails.

Nope, people wanted a check.. No one would dare say a word within the org and he basically ignored the media

Pasta Little Brioni 09-03-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10876323)
The Chiefs will still suck

You really want me to absolutely own you again don't you?

R8RFAN 09-03-2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10876662)
You really want me to absolutely own you again don't you?

I didn't think you would ever come back after the "Beatdown"

Pasta Little Brioni 09-03-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10876678)
I didn't think you would ever come back after the "Beatdown"

Took a vacation numb nuts

Easy 6 09-03-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10876662)
You really want me to absolutely own you again don't you?

LMAO he usually tries to stifle his natural impulses, but the real 48ers's will always eventually rear his ugly, trollish head.


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