There are a couple of good tests for Smith down the road. I'm looking forward to seeing what adjustments he makes, if any.

Smith, bray, Wilson, Barkley...I'd be excited if we get any of these guys...just don't draft Jones.

Early on I was full on board the Bray bandwagon. After watching a few Tennessee games this year? He really, really needs to come back for another year.

Great physical talent but he's not ready.

The disparity of talent between good teams and bad teams in college is huge.

Good, even great, QBs on bad can not be make up the difference.

In the NFL, the talent disparity is small.

Good QBs do make the difference.

Smith still has the highest ceiling of this upcoming class.

Barkley is good, but he has almost reached his ceiling.

I don't see a leader when I watch Tyler Wilson.

Smith is still the man in this class from where I'm sitting.

I've heard some people say this. I feel like judging a person's leadership is really hard to do unless you're in the locker room with the guys.

Most people seem to form this opinion based on his comments right after the bama game when he wass frustrated about a loss.

Lets all be reminded exactly what he said.

I’ll start with the football game. First of all, it wasn’t very pretty to watch. It wasn’t pretty to sit on the sideline and watch as a player, it sucks I can’t do anything about it. Do I feel that we, at times, gave up out there? Absolutely. As a leader it sucks to see people not do their jobs and to see things go wrong, there has been a lot of things go that way.

As a leader, at this point you have to look forward. There has been a lot of people jump off of the bandwagon and it is my job to keep everyone in this organization and this team in that locker room together. I am going to make sure of it going forward. We’ve got a big game against Rutgers next week. I am going to do everything in my power to be a part of it and be the starting quarterback when we run out onto the field. And most importantly, get a win. You have to start with one before you can get the rest of them. I give you my word, I am going to do the best I can to make that happen.

IMO I think a lot of reaction to this is overblown and I don't think it was that bad.

I think those comments were stupid as shit to make.

He threw his teammates under the bus in the media and basically said "well guys, you can obviously see what this team is without me and I'm gonna do my best to put this team on my back when I get back next week and get us a win"

Barkley will probably be Matt Ryan
Wilson will be Phillip Rivers...but has a serious chance at being Ryan Leaf
Smith will be something between Rodgers and McNabb (during his prime)
Jones will be trash
Bray needs another year or a veteran coaching staff to reel him in and develop his skills

I never heard that, though I heard about it.

I base my opinion on Wilson't leadership on his body language and the way he reacts to both good and bad.

But having now seen what it was that he said, I don't like the fact that he made a public statement about his team giving up in a game he wasn't able to participate in.

The sad part about those comments is that he got hurt against a small school in a game he threw 3 picks iirc...and they lost...and then comes out after missing the following week and throws his teammates under the bus and saying they "quit".

You know what a leader says in that circumstance?

"Well guys, I am proud of the way my teammates went out there and battled and specifically my replacement. I saw some good things out there today that we can build on in an effort to get this back on track. We are a team still trying to find our identity and I think we have what it takes to step things up a notch next week and nobody needs to do that more than myself."

I think Jones has a shot in the right situation.

I think the right situation for Jones just ceased operations.

Personally, I think Tyler Wilson is the best QB in this class. When you look at what he has done over his time at Arkansas, it's pretty impressive. When you think about the instability of that program and the crap he is going through, it's impressive. I thought the same thing you guys thought about his comments in that interview. That is until I watched it. I reccommend watching it because it was heartfelt and he wasn't being an asshole imo. As we get closer to the draft, I think scouting reports will list him as the best leader among QBs.

I think Geno Smith is very overrated. Especially as a leader. He folds when the chips don't fall his way.

Yet another example of us overreacting about a guy we like.

He isn't the consensus #1 everybody says he was. Like I said,if he was, then why haven't draft gurus jumped on the bandwagon yet? That being said, I'd still take him above any qbs in this class and would trade up for him. But let's acknowledge finally that I was right that there is a small gamble. He's not anything CLoSE o being a consensus elite qb prospect rgiiii was.

Before the season started, 95% of the so called experts thought Geno was a second or third round pick. I question whether some overreacted when they put him at #1... I'm not sure he is a first round pick.

I dont like tyler wilsons throwing motion. It looks like he drops his left arm as soon as he cocks the ball back. I dont know how you can be accurate doing that

That's good because I'm not ready to jump the Geno Smith ship. I'm kind of leaning towards Barkley but I think there is so much more potential with Smith.

People throwing Smith under the bus are morons. You gotta remember West Virginias talent level is equal to a Big East schools. They are clearly out matched at every position besides WR and QB. Without Smith they aren't even a bowl team.

:spock:

Of course there's a small gamble. There's a small gamble to picking EVERY QB.

Good God. Sure. I'll acknowledge you were right. I'll also acknowledge you were right about humans needing to breathe air in order to survive.

There's something that kind of bothers me about it too. From the guys I've seen him play... I don't know, I think you have a good QB, but when you're talking about a pocket passer, he doesn't strike me as the guy with an elite physical and mental skill set. Good. But not great.

Not a bad guy to gamble on. But Barkley is much safer and Geno has a ton more upside.

TOO RISKY!!!!! Rather hit on the safe pick in that monster FB or TE.

SNR, this is a commentary against the people who talked him up like he's the next RGIII or that he's a can't miss #1 prospect. Clear-cut #1 pick.

I got called out because I wasn't washing his balls in that way.

Geno Smith is a terrific QB prospect. But I hate when people try to exaggerate how good a player is just because we want to draft him. And again, I'd draft him in a heartbeat and would even trade up.

IF Geno turns out to be average at best...SNR will be eating crow on a nightly basis with all the blowing he has been doing.

If you question Geno at all...SNR will go Bobbit on you.

Don't think so. I'll be too busy eating out your mom.

I don't get why this is such a fat deal to everybody. Guys like chiefzilla are continually saying Geno Smith is the best QB to draft this April. SO LET'S GO ****ING DRAFT HIM.

That's what this thread is for.

And Tyler Wilson still sucks.

ROFL

In the end, we are going to be deciding on whether we want Geno Smith or Matt Barkley as our franchise QB [Captain Obvious].

When it boils down to it, I will take Geno Smith all day. I am not near as high on him as most of the Geno jerk-offs are here...but I want no part of Barkley.

I feel Geno Smith is that tall, big-armed QB that KC has been salivating for now the past few decades. If we draft him and whiff...well this franchise probably wont draft another 1st rnd QB for another 30 years and we move on to the next guy. Fine.

Matt Barkley is going to be the "safer" pick IMO. But he is just going to be another check-down, game managing type of QB. We will still have to rely heavily on a strong run-game and get some game breaking receivers as Matt won't be able to put a team on his back in the 4th qtr to win a game. If we go this route...I fear we are stuck with him for 10 years and stuck in mediocracy still. MAYBE he squeaks a playoff win out in that 10 years, but that would be it.

So that is my thoughts on two QBs we will be deciding between in a few months. Geno, the high risk high rewards type of guy. Barkely, the safer game managing type of QB.

Give me Geno...

When I read your threads...I hear Jays voice in my head for some reason.
http://www.hollywoodmemorabilia.com/...30c56a0efd.jpg

Nobody should eat crow for taking a gamble on a QB. Barkley is safe. Wilson is somewhat safe, with maybe slightly more upside. Geno Smith is the type of gamble you make on a QB with potential to be elite.

Never saw that movie.

Don't watch it.

You may scare yourself.

Interesting write up and I'm not really interested in doing the whole Geno vs Barkley argument but I will ask if you've ever watched a whole USC because your argument against Barkley would indicate that you haven't. The assertion that Barkley is a dink and donk QB is false. He can't put a team on his back in the 4th QTR? What about against #8 OSU as a freshmen? Stanford? Oregon? Hello?

Did you read the part about the necessity of having game-breaking receivers? Hello?

well, the morning comes...and with it a positive spin (attempt)

this may be the year we can get the QB we want without having a top 4 pick...which gives a buffer for the inevitable 2 or 3 meaningless wins we will manage

i still like all the same things about smith's skill set, but he's looked rattled as the whole team has imploded...it could be, in hindsight, that WV is just pathetic in spite of Smith (or anyone), but for now he can't avoid all blame..

i'm glad to see Barkley playing well (and would be happy to draft him), and though I haven't watched him, Wilson is still somewhere on the horizon...

JNJ...just no jones (who honestly is a mid round pick at this point)

Jones is projecting at a 2nd-3rd rnd pick now. LMAO

the same could have been said for RG3. NOBODY saw him as the second overall pick before he blew up.

yeah, that's what i see...walterfootball the same, though they haven't updated in a while

I was too busy laughing at your 10 year prediction Ms. Cleo. How the **** can you project a guys career for 10 years without even watching him play a full game? You would have a valid argument about Barkley and his WR's if he wasn't able to fit the ball in tight spaces and just threw WR screens all game. BTW Smiths yard per attempt is only 1 yard higher than Barkleys. Is he a dink and donker too?

But.... he won the close games... when they got behind, he carried the team most of the time. that's something we haven't seen out of Smith.

Blackboobs in on the Wilson bandwagon? LMAO

Keep that in mind before you start pimping this guy...

Smith wins close games all the time, douche

He didn't do shit last night and in KC he will be surrounded by duds.

I'm still a fan, but I'm leaning more toward Barkley. I wish I would have said it earlier than this weekend, because it now looks like I'm basing it off of one game....I'm not.

I'm also a BIG fan of Bray, but not sure I'm ready to put him ahead of Geno.
To be completely honest, I'll take any of them. Tyler Wilson included.

Like I've said, I'm going to wait until the end of the NCAA season before I jump on board a bandwagon.

4 Good prospects worth picking. If we don't get a 1st round QB this year, it truly will be the first time I will have to reconsider my devotion to football. I simply can't just switch teams to root for. I've tried it, and just can't get myself to give a **** about any other team. The Titans being the closest I've ever come because they are my home town team , but it's still not even remotely the same, but I just can't keep devoting the time and energy to something that depresses me. A QB prospect is the only thing that can change that at this point.
PLEASE GOD PLEASE.

Bray is an enormous disappointment. No way he declares early. And a huge red flag on him. He doesn't show up in big games. And I question his leadership abilities.

Good Plan. You know how these things change. Even after the season is over. It's amazing how stocks can rise and fall so much months after the games have been played.

I think bray has the best physical skills of any of them but mentally he just isn't there

Coach dooley has been riding his ass forcing him to be a leader. He would definately be better off waiting a year but, his receivers are gone after this year so he might come out.

I was going to put in my other post that I believe he would have to sit a year before making any starts. I think he clearly has the least amount of talent to work with among all of these guys. And that's going to make a big difference in their numbers. I've probably watched him the most of all of them, and he definitely has all of the tools you look for. His arm is elite. Not that arm strength is the #1 attribute that I look for. One of the least actually. Accuracy, decision making, and pocket presence are the #1 things I look for. Arm strength is just a bonus IMO. I like Bray, but I don't think he's the best of these guys. When I said huge FAN, that's what I meant. I'm from TN, but I think he might be #4 in my ranking of the top 4 guys.

Yep, Against the worst passing defense in the BCS. I specifically wanted to see how he would do when the chips were down. He pretty much did what I expected him to do. He doesn't seem to be able to make plays when the opposing team figures out how to stop their system offense. Is he a product of the system? All of these QBs have flaws but this is a big one imo. We need a leader. Not a guy who paces the sidelines with a "tough guy" glare. We don't just need a QB, we need a leader.

I'm circling the OU game as the real testament in how Geno plays and responds to national ranked adversity after being spanked by K-State.

^^^This.

I figured that WV would get down and wanted to see how Geno would respond. Not a good showing. :(

Isn't this similar to what everyone said last week? Oh well, that exactly what I was looking for and I agree. If he can't show something in those situations, there is no way he goes #1.

I still believe in Geno and yes I know I'm biased, but it's going to be an uphill battle unless the Mountaineers can figure out what the hell is wrong with the offense and find some sort of defense. DeForrest is looking like a complete moron even outside of the lack of secondary talent on this team. This was the second time this season a team ran the same plays over and over and he did nothing to adjust to it.

Hopefully during the bye week something can be figured out because patience in Morgantown is waning for Holgerson and are completely gone with DeForrest. If they don't get something going offensively they won't win another game until KU and the way they've played the last two weeks even that game is no gimme.

WHO THE **** DOES?

When a coach has your shtick figured out, there are VERY few QBs who can overcome that.

In the meantime, Geno Smith is a QB who has experience in pro, option read, and air raid offenses. He's had great success in all three of them. Put him in a pro system in the NFL, and I guarantee you there won't be tough defenses that just play a brand of coverage that neutralizes all of his downfield options.

Geno Smith is at fault in these past two games for maybe a handful of plays. The rest of it comes down on him for not being patient enough.

ALL the rest of this cluster**** should be placed on Dana Holgersen, who got ass raped by Texas Tech and did absolutely NOTHING to adjust his playcalling/formations from last week to this week. Said it was just about guys getting down and not trying hard enough. They got down because Holgersen put them in that position.

I'd have to see Geno Smith make some pretty terrible mistakes and lose confidence when in the pocket for me to back away from calling him a great potential NFL QB. Thus far I have not seen him get overly rattled.

Put him on a team with a good offensive playbook (any pro-style system will do... even Brian Daboll's) and he'll succeed.

This. How many tards, w/o me having to go through all these posts since last night, are chanting for Barkley now?

**** that.

I'll be happy with any of Smith, Barkley or Wilson. I've been disappointed so many times with this team, I rather not think we're getting Smith next year.

Chocolate penis.

I disagree,

It's not about a poor gameplan or being out coached because of halftime adjustments or something like that. It's about getting owned. It's about the system offense that West Virginia runs. It is fair to question whether Smith's success is from being a product of that system offense because so far he hasn't proven otherwise. Also, where was the leadership? Why did he pace around with a smug look on his face? Last week he sat by the gatorade. We need better than that in KC. That's what we have for leadership right now.

Pretty funny how even this class of QBs that looked strong with just the seniors took a ****ing nose dive half way through the college season.

QB and DT are the weaksest positions in this class and always have been. There are a couple of decent prospects at the top and the rest is crap. However, there is nothing close to a "sure thing" or "real deal." This is not a good year to be picking a QB at the top of the draft but, we don't really have a choice.

Just STFU with your ignorant takes.

He was an effective passer in a completely different system as a sophmore.

In his sophomore year, Smith completed 241 of 372 passes (65%) for 2763 yards, throwing 24 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, and rushing for 217 yards on 106 attempts in his first year as the starting quarterback.[4]

Air Raid offense teams tend to get blown out from time to time. It happens.

That's great. Have you seen him run a play action pass? He looks like a High School QB. He is the most overhyped prospect in some time in my opinion. We'll know soon enough.

It's kind of funny how you have hitched your wagon to this guy who hasn't really done jack shit. I question the guy and you call me ignorant?

Are these common tactics for the Church of Geno-ology? What's your motive? To squash any attempts of Geno mutany? I want the best QB KC can get. I'm not about stats or hype. I want a leader and a winner.

What BossChief said. Do your ****ing homework.

Also, are we really to the point where we do these tickytack judgments of a QB's leadership based on where he is on the sideline during big losses? For ****'s sake, give me a break.

Where was he before it was a big loss? You guys are buying too much into the stat bullshit.

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JFC...The overreaction on here over 2 bad games is just ****ing reeruned, but not surprising.

I would still trade up to get Geno in a heartbeat. 2 bad games doesn't outweigh what he's done his whole career, and it doesn't mean his physical skills and mental capabilities have just disappeared either.

If 2 bad games = Not good, then I guess every QB to ever play the game on any level sucks then.

I'm not sure what your point is Bosschief? The interview is pretty run of the mill. I like that he ditched the hat. He says he needs to be a better leader on the sidelines which is good but, it's hard for me to see him magically changing. It's not like this was the first game he did nothing to rally the troops. He doesn't seem to have any "Tebow" in him LOL.

The overreaction was putting that high in the first place imo.

I can't believe that you've returned.

Don't you feel any shame, let alone have any pride?

Uhh, they didn't run the AirRaid until last year...

1) find a tall building
2) place a thumbtack somewhere within 10 feet of the base of the building...pin side up.
3) somehow get access to the roof of said building
4) get a good idea of where you placed that thumbtack
5) jump and aim for it with your head and just do your best. We all know you will probably miss, but its the effort that counts.

He probably got laughed off the Coalition, too.

Wow. I thought they let just about anyone stay over there?

No, in the future, just ignore me or negative rep me if you don't like what I say. Please stop shitting all over threads.

I do worry about how long he'll absorb and NFL offense, because his first year maybe total shit as rookie and the real product will be in his second or third year as a pro. I don't question is ability to read defenses or ball placement, but to me it will take a season for him to really assimilate what his OC will give him in the playbook.

You are like a cancer to every thread you post in.

Just leave because everyone here has you pinned as the dumbest poster to ever start an account here.

warpaint, arrowheadpride...probably at least 5 other sites that you would feel right at home because they arent as free with the attacks that wont end here.

Well, BlackBob. I have news for you.

Nope, I swing both ways.

LMAO You got it backwards. They let just about anyone stay here. I got banned from here and have managed not to get banned over there for seven years. Now that is quite a feat if you think about it.