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I would use a multifaceted metric, or I would compile multiple stats/metrics to better describe the offense. Because those metrics above just don't. I mean, I get it; they sound cool. But they lack any precision.

If they did, they'd explain what happened in the IND, BUF, CIN, TEN, LAR, DEN and HOU games. In one of the JAX games. In the first half of the SB.

You know, when they kind of sucked in those games.

The ones that are particularly concerning are obviously both the BUF and the CIN games. But let's skip that for now. In fact, we'll just put this right here:

[INSERT STANDARD EXCUSE VS. BUF/CIN HERE]

But where was this number one offense vs. TEN?

8/19 3rd downs

2-13 scoring drives. 15% efficiency.

Against a team that didn't even make the playoffs. They didn't earn a W over their last 7 games.

The Rams. Sorry, the practice squad of the Rams

5-11 on 3rd downs

2-8 scoring drives

1-6 in the RZ

Maybe that score/performance would've been acceptable if the Rams had actually been the Rams. But they were a practice squad wearing Rams colors.

And somehow "the number one scoring offense in the world" managed just two TDs against a defense that only could play 5 players of their SB defense vs. KC.

Went 1 TD in SIX TRIPS inside the RZ.

Good thing Stafford wasn't healthy. And our kicking unit was on point.

Had to go to OT vs. DEN and HOU. [Insert standard "they're a Division rival" excuse here for DEN.]

Scored just 24 vs. SEA

3rd down efficiency was ass again, 3-11

Scored just 3 TDs in 10 drives





But the most concerning thing shouldn't be the individual games themselves, but should be that some of those games were late in the season, when the offense was supposed to be gelling into playoff form. But obviously, when you take a little deeper look into the stats, past "MOST EXPLOSIVE OFFENSE EVAH," or whatever non-contextualized metric of the day is, there were problems. Chronic ones. There were even games where one could make the argument that KC won in spite of the offense, not because of it.


But whatever. I've posted this argument in much more complete detail a couple three times already. Obviously it's way more fun to throw "We're the number one offense ever" out there, than to be more analytical. I get it.

I remember thinking he was so fast he had to be an upgrade.

Ok gang…

I can't even deal with this dumb shit anymore. You've gone full ****ing tard.

If you want to talk about making the Chiefs offense better, that's all well and good. It can get better.

But let's be honest on both sides when analyzing the offensive performance. You're asking for context. Let's apply game context.

Let's talk Rams first.

The Chiefs scored on five of their first six drives in the game to take a 20-3 lead halfway through the third quarter. They averaged 3+ Points per possession to that point. That's an elite level of production per possession.

The next drive was another long drive that ended with an uncharacteristic Mahomes INT in the end zone. And they went into cruise control on the last two drives. All said and done for, they moved the ball consistently and well and went pretty vanilla against an overmatched opponent.

Especially late in the year, Reid tends to let the foot off the gas and save "the good stuff" for later. It happened during the 2019 Super Bowl run, too.

I'd chalk that Seattle game up in the same territory. They were vanilla as can be in that game. And again. 5 possessions in the first half, 17 points, north of 3 points/possession. That's stellar production.

I just don't think you can muster much "concern" about offensive output in games where the Chiefs clearly took the foot off the gas.

BUF, Von Miller's pressure shut down KC's offense single-handedly a few times in that game, late. KC hadn't started giving the T as much help at that point. I'd put the IND game in the same bucket. Watching them try to get outside on that surface vs. Indy's Es was painful. Pressure was the problem.

CIN, the offense was actually much more productive than you are acting like. Only 7 real possessions. 3 TDs, 1 FG, 1 missed FG, 1 punt, and one promising drive nullified by a fluky fumble.

Do the math. The points/possession... still elite there despite the missed FG.

JAX... the regular season game, is that what you're referencing? KC jumped to a 20-0 lead despite being on the wrong side of an onside kick and having Pacheco fumble in the red zone on the first drive and having Fortson fumble on a kickoff. They were up 27-10 by the end of the third. At no point did the offense "struggle" in that game. It was so good, they still blew Jacksonville out despite losing the TO margin 3-0 and also losing a possession to an onside kick, and they killed the last five minutes of the game.

That leaves DEN and TEN.

I don't have an explanation for TEN, other than a good gameplan and execution by Tennessee. KC's offense was really one dimensional in that one, and Tennesee did a really good job neutralizing the run game (other than Mahomes scrambles).

Finally, the two DEN tilts.

The first one, the Chiefs went up 27-0 and clearly let down in intensity. It almost bit them.

The second one looked and felt like a classic divisional game example.

All in all, there is some room for improvement. Probably always will be But the Chiefs offense certainly played and produced like the top offense in football. The main things that held it back - lack of playmaker depth at WR, weakness at OT in pass blocking - have both been addressed with significant investments and personnel adjustments.

The fool just likes to read what he types. He is doing the same shit about Bob Lazar's made up shit about E115 in another thread.

Nailed it! EVERY ****ing thread ends up the same way. :shake:

Yep.... ALWAYS, PLENTY OF NOTHING to say. :shake:

Lol, so my takeaway from the LAR and SEA games is that we didn’t really want to score TDs in the RZ, eh? The plan was to kick FGs, because we didn’t want to give away anything?


Like I said, “a win is a win.” There’s your mentality.

When it's all said-and-done and DHop has signed with whatever team he signs with - and I hope it's my favorite team, the Kansas City Chiefs - I think the main takeaway from this thread is that some people have far, far too much idle time on their hands.

Maybe take up golf, fishing, working out, or some other hobby. Or do some volunteer work.

ROFL

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"Why don't you go do something... Get a job. Work with blind kids. All you do is wait for me to come home and **** you."

It's a well known thing the team plays vanilla for many games in the regular season... players have said it, coaches have said it. Kelce has made comments about how hard it is to focus during the regularly season because all they want to do is get back to playoff football.

I thought it was glaringly obvious at the end of the season... they went from playing unfocused and pulling games out of their ass to using the Raiders as a playoff warmup game where they were in sync and in playoff mode.

To answer your question, you don't take anything away from those games, except they don't matter and have no bearing on anything as long as they win (oh shit, I said it).

Insert reeruned megatron96 wall of meaningless text here.

They pretty clearly save cool new red zone stuff for the playoffs when you get to the second half/late half of the schedule. So yes, they are situationally OK with putting up FGs in games where a TD is less critical. You've been watching long enough to know this is the case. Remember all the concern heading into the 19 playoffs about red zone TD percentage late in the year?

But let's look at those games in context.

Possessions against Rams:

Punt
TD
FG (after TD pass was called back due to penalty on 1st and goal)
FG (with 16 seconds left on the clock and zero timeouts, not a "Red Zone failure")
TD
INT in end zone on 3rd and Goal
FG (after an interception with a 10-pt lead and 8 minutes left in the game set up 1st and goal at the 9; run... run... safe pass)
FG (after an interception with a 13-pt lead and 5:17 left in the game set up 1st down at the 27; run... run... run... run... run... run... run... run... FG)

Possessions against Seahawks:
Punt
TD
Punt
Punt
TD
FG (not in red zone, now lead 17-0 and Seattle has 22 yards of total offense)
Punt (leading 17-3, Seattle has 112 yards of total offense)
Punt (leading 17-3, Seattle has 116 yards of total offense)
Punt (leading 17-3, Seattle has 164 yards of total offense)
TD (leading 17-3, Seattle has 216 yards of total offense, now have 24-3 lead with less than 5 minutes left in game)

So yeah, the Chiefs had control of that game the whole way. A bad 3rd quarter when they had a commanding lead and Seattle was doing nothing on its own end, and then a long TD drive when Seattle had shown life on back-to-back drives.

They were vanilla in that game.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the Chiefs playing vanilla in games they have well in hand late in the season (especially outside the division like these two). Let teams like the Ravens and Bills empty the playbook to continue making blowouts worse. How has that worked out for them in the postseason?

It's pretty blatantly obvious the Chiefs feel they can win 12+ games every year without pulling out all the stops and the real games don't start until playoff time.

I think some are seriously blind to this for whatever reason... pre-Mahomes PTSD (STILL), bias towards the rare times teams make a wild comeback, some kind of fetish for point differential, whatever. :shrug:

Yeah, every once in a while they **** around and find out, but the vast majority of the time you can tell they're in complete control even if they aren't up by 4 touchdowns in the 4th.

There's not an offense ever that didn't occasionally get out of synch. Have a bad day, or have key people out or whatever.

There is no metric to use in which this offense was not the number one offense in football. It's a hard game, and a league designed to create parity.

Nobody blows every opponent out, and nobody goes undefeated. That's the way the league is designed.

All you've done for months now is lay it on about how we really weren't that good, and we're in real trouble and blah blah but you never place anything in context. It's a bunch of hooey.

In fact, now go pick over the worst games for the Eagles, Bengals, and Bills and see what's what.

This is stupid.

Me = likes Chiefs

Won’t lie, but we have a chance to be even better this year as long as the offense isn’t decimated by injuries. Smith=Brown Jr right now. Taylor >>>>Wylie. If these receivers take the next step as expected then they will be far better than what was lost in JJSS and Hardman. The running game will be fine as well. The defense will be a year older and much better as they lost no one of significance (unless you consider CP favorite Clark a huge loss).

For anyone not paying attention (ahem, Megatron)-

The Chiefs were statistically the best offense in football in almost any metric you want to look at. Does that mean they were perfect? No, of course not. There's a reason why there's a saying like "any given Sunday".

From that team, we're missing Juju, who while being a seasoned pro, was not spectacular in any way. Just a good, solid, professional receiver.

And Hardman, who didn't play much the second half of the year, and never really developed beyond a jet sweep and gadget guy.

In their place, we have a '21 first round pick, a '22 second round pick, and a '23 second round pick. You have to actually play the kids to develop them, you know. And two of those are in year two and should have a good grasp of the offense now. Judging them by last year's stats is stupid; we've been told they're to play bigger roles, and so they will.

And we have veteran insurance policies in James and Watson, for just in case.

All of this hand wringing is a bunch of hooey. This is what you have to do to stay on top, you have to draft well, and you have to PLAY THE KIDS when you're paying your QB 20% of your damned cap. It's a must.

This is going to be a really fun season, where we see the next group of stars revealed before our eyes. It's going to be a blast, no matter what Billay and Megatron want to say.

Keep bitching, boys, and both of you don't get a spot on my bus. You can both walk behind.

KC Chiefs = the team I most favor

Ok

Now this = epic

Give me a “C!”

Anyone that knows anything about any sport can easily see games where purposely do just enough to win.

They use the weaker teams as a glorified practice.

STs score FGs. That happens when the offense can't do their job and score TDs.


And I never said anything about who controlled the game. In fact, if we went back to the actual GDTs we'd find that I said repeatedly that we controlled the game, but that the offense couldn't score in the RZ.


And Andy really shouldn't have to 'empty the playbook' vs. teams as thin as last year's Rams were. The fact of the matter was, our WRs failed to execute, repeatedly. Calling vanilla offensive plays shouldn't have been that big a deal.


But like I said, people will choose their own facts for comfort's sake.


Hopefully the WRs can be more effective in 2023, because unlike some, I have serious doubts the Chiefs can continue to win at the same rate when they fail to score for multiple weeks in a row.

Yeah, people certainly will believe whatever they want to.

I mean, it's baloney. You're moving goal posts, man.

They didn't fail to score multiple weeks in a row. That's a fiction whether you allow yourself to see it or not.

But yes, I hope the WR room can be more effective in 2023 than 2022. And please note that the WR room in 2022 was BETTER than the WR room in 2021 in some key regards. Namely, yards per reception and yard per target, with a slightly worse but almost identical reception/target rate.

who needs dhop

we got richie james bitches!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx4noUga...jpg&name=large

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-st...rprise-at-no-1

What did the five fingers say to the football?

Yeah the team that was first in points per drive, yds per drive, and scoring % wasn't very good. The team that scored on 46.4% of their drives really struggled and just lucked into this whole thing.

He means the WR's didn't score enough. He's obsessed with the RB's scoring too much and the WR's not enough. I've tried to explain that nobody cares, but he keeps going on about how it should be the WR's and that it's a sign that something is wrong. Of course, no context ever-no mention of Juju's knee, or Hardman missing half the year, or Toney not getting here until the trade deadline, or the AFCCG which he loves to bring up when we were down to MVS and Kemp taking meaningful snaps. I just can't with this guy.

And we beefed up the offensive line, too, but since we're not getting DHop, we're really going to struggle to score points. Because McKinnon doesn't count when he scores. Only WR's. And since Skyy only caught 22 balls as a rookie, he'll only have that many this year. I mean, it's stats! But if you think McKinnon can do what he did again, that's crazy! It's an outlier! We're going to struggle!

If the facts of winning 2 SBs and making it to a 3rd, hosting the AFCCG every damn year, only ever losing to Brady or the Bengals when it matters the most, or any number of Mahomes' stats/accomplishments after 5 decades of shitty ****ing quarterbacks isn't enough to comfort you for the future..... damn man, maybe sports isn't for you.

That graphic shared on social media after we'd signed Richie. I think it said something like "When you buy OBJ on Wish" - Then showed their glam shots side-by-side. I'd say there's a good chance Richie outperforms OBJ - the only thing standing in his way is the fact that we have so many targets and only one ball. I think we're going to love us some RJ

Does he realize the other teams also employ professionals trained in football specialized in stopping our team from scoring points at football?

I can't even imagine being so pessimistic about the offense, especially an offense that's been 1st in pts/drive for 3 out of the past 5 years, 2nd once, and 4th once. An offense that lost a top 2 WR in the league and was still the best offense in the league.

It's weird as shit, especially coming from Megatron. I mean he's usually pretty optimistic or at least pretty well grounded. Is he really this obsessed with DHop?

If a sports show/blog makes a comment about a player it's true. Because they have a sports show/blog. I mean golly cheese whiz guys!

Both in OT in the AFCCGs. Not counting SB LV in this.

I see Megatron has gone full reerun now.

It's funny because for decades we desperately tried to reframe the Chiefs' existence as more than it was (who wouldn't) and make up a narrative of "just make it into the playoffs and anything can happen" (narrator: it did not happen).

You just can't change the reality that you need a franchise QB to be consistently successful in the playoffs, and even one run to the SB would have been a small miracle.


So now we have that franchise quarterback and a few people want to continue changing reality, that the Chiefs are somehow in trouble every year for whatever reason.

Uh... sorry? You're stuck with a floor that's basically the AFFCG most years Mahomes is healthy (hell, even the Packers made like 5 NFCCGs with Rodgers despite their lack of success from that point).

You can't change reality that teams with franchise QBs have a huge advantage over the 28+ teams without.

By the time some people catch on, Mahomes could be retired and we'll be back to the first reality... and maybe some people prefer it that way? :shrug:

Closing in on 2000!!!!

Doing my part.

I just shitted some crap into da toilet

Some people enjoy misery, with others (like myself at times) its a matter of keeping hopes up leads to bigger disappointment.

In all fairness, I've learned with some people this is the only way they know to be a Chiefs fan, to point out the negatives only because we can't get too excited for an eventual disappointment.

Hell, I have my moments where I still get overly negative (I was pissed at Spags several times in the AFCCG, and looking back, was irrational in thought process) and I want to assume the worst because it's what we've been used to for so long. I've gotten a lot better, but I still catch myself sometimes.

Its the "Snow Day" concept. When you were a kid, if you went to bed expecting a Snow Day and you didn't get one, you were a lot more upset than if you went to bed expecting school the next day.

2000 posts and he signs for $2 mill with incentives to $14 mill... That's what I overheard at the Hy-Vee...

We're a little early for the Hy-Vee sources, we don't even have a sighting at Best Buy in Overland Park yet!

ROFL

Almost there!!

1 year 1 million dollar deal.

Nothing sweeter than that!

ok now this is epic

This piece of SHIT is going to sign!!!

$20 says he goes to the shit house Browns for a phat payday.

As soon as we get this thing to 2k

Maybe

I’m at Taco Bell right now about to Baja Blast in the toilet!!!!!

I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to shit "in" the toilet at taco bell

AA says we are finalists with the BILLS! They know nothing but on to 2000 we go!

Fail to score for multiple weeks in a row? You mean like when the Chiefs had troubles on offense in 2021 for like 6 or 7 games and they still put up an 11-5 record and were a freak Mahomes implosion away from going to the Super Bowl again?

How do you think they got out of that rut? Was it because Tyreek Hill started playing better? Or was it because Mahomes and Reid figured their shit out and started beating defenses that had slowed them down?

I'd give SOME credit to your bad argument if you framed it around, "The Chiefs can't keep having the injury luck that they do-- statistically they should have been bit hard by now." But no, it's all, "Lack of #1 WR generating #1 offense in the NFL isn't sustainable!!!!" And that's a bunch of BS.

That train left the station almost 3 months ago, you need to catch up! :D

LMAO

Did I miss him shopping for houses in Leawood too?

Almost there

Not even close, bud

The only thing that is sustainable offensively is a 100 catch WR who scores at least 10td's. If you don't have that, you're just getting lucky.

Any more than 10 passing TD's to a running back in a single season is only 5 points per TD.

This has been true for a very long time. Heck, look at the first four SBs. Every QB who won is in the HOF. Look at the history of the SB overall and see just how few SBs were won by a team without a franchise QB. It's just not realistic to expect to win without one consistently as rules have become even more skewed favoring QBs.

Look at KC's biggest challenges in the AFC. Every one has a franchise QB. The Jets have gone from a good team with talent everywhere, but no threat to win it all to a serious SB contender all because they got Rodgers. Miami with and without Tua is stunning (and I am not sold on him even being a franchise QB). SF might be the only team in the NFL where they can have average at QB and still be a force.

I get the "Because Chiefs" mindset of some, but that has passed and to miss out on this golden era because of that is a shame. This isn't the Chiefs of the 90s anymore.

Our GM is not self absorbed in his "right-ness" and unwilling to adjust, our HC is innovative and willing to change with the times, our QB is the best drafted QB we ever had and easily the best ever. We haven't had a QB like him since trading for the shell of Montana. They have transformed the Chiefs into the gold standard franchise and one that other teams draft to duplicate or to beat.

Let's enjoy this greatness as they are entering territory that very few franchises ever achieve, especially in the FA era.

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How can they afford that with the albatross that is Watson's contract?

He cares more about money than a ring.

If he signs in Tenn then it has to be just a money grab. The Titans are anything but a SB contender.

Schrager's comments about Justyn Ross make this signing a real long shot in my opinion.

Edit: Those comments were him repeating stuff he heard from the organization (obviously, right?)

Which is his right.

Oh, no!

So he can openly say Titans, but not the other teams?

Why does the media have to be so ****ing secretive.

:facepalm:

Where’s BILLSHIT?

IDGAF if he's a titan. Just not a Bill, Bengal, Eagle or 9er.

Can't see him going to any of those teams outside of Buffalo. Cincinnati is loaded at WR and would not benefit from him. Eagels and 9ers both have two good receivers already. The Bills have Diggs and that's it. I don't think they are all in on Gabe Davis.

Boom