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Geno Smith fans roll call (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=263890)

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9148803)

Watch the tape, CaliforniaChief

Just. Like. Matt. Cassel.

He plays not to lose. Just like Cassel with a stronger arm.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9148741)

You are putting words in my mouth and exaggerating. The fact that you care more about what I say a guys floor is versus his realistic potential is cherrypicking.

He is going to have to excel as a pocket passer if he wants to be a franchise qb. He's not going to do it in the way big Ben does, which is to be a guy who gets knocked around. He's not going to do it with elusiveness as rgIII can. He will use mobility as a last resort bailout. If you want to build an offense around it being ok for him to hold on to the ball too long, you are out of your mind. He has to make quicker decisions, he has to learn to quickly look off his primary read and go through progressions, and he has to adjust the protections pre-snap because he can't use his physical body to bail him out if he misses a protection or blitz.

Again... I believe he has the character and work ethic to do it. But the idea that he can use his athletic ability to build his game around bailing out is just wrong.

You said, you dipshit, that his absolute fllor is a running QB.

Did I misread that, you dipshit?

And there you go again with dipshittery.

This O-Line for the Chiefs, as is, can provide Smith with the protection to go through progressions and make reads in a timely and efficient manner, and you dismiss his mobility like he's incapable of moving.

You, again, as stated before, are a dipshit.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9148603)

Don't give me that bullshit.

He is comparing Genos stats to luck and using lucks interception track record as justification for wh his success was overstated.

He continues to imply that luck succeeded because of talent whereas geno doesn't have that. I pushed back and said lucks biggest reason for success was much more about a flawless skill set and off the charts football iq. Sac is selling to us that geno could step into Stanford and do the same things luck did.

He is trying to downplay lucks resume, trying to imply luck wouldn't have succeeded with Genos supporting cast, and strongly implying that geno could have succeeded in Stanford's football iq heavy offense in the same way luck did.

Give me a break. Just because he's on your side now doesnt mean ou should act like all of a sudden his exaggerated optimism is suddenly acceptable.

He's stated time and time again, that Luck is the best QB prospect since Elway, you dipshit.

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Originally Posted by Woodchuck (Post 9148831)

He plays not to lose. Just like Cassel with a stronger arm.

Please tell us what you look for that the average fan doesn't.

I need a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 9148537)

So the guys backing geno why is he the pick over Wilson.

Both can throw a great ball; there's no question about this. But Smith has elite awareness and savvy in the pocket, and this is what separates him in my eyes.

Really you are comparing geno to cassel?

Ok three year starter at wvu

Zero starts at USC

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9148603)

Don't give me that bullshit.

He is comparing Genos stats to luck and using lucks interception track record as justification for wh his success was overstated.

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He continues to imply that luck succeeded because of talent whereas geno doesn't have that.

No, I did not.

I am stating that Geno has put up near identical statistics as Luck with a substantially worse supporting cast. I am attempting to show that Geno is a top flight QB and even in the face of having one of the worst defenses in NCAA football and having to play behind in many of his conference games and having to play behind an offensive line that isn't the best, he has continued to make excellent decisions with the football and has maintained a superb accuracy level.

I'm trying to show that Geno has kicked major ass this year in the face of adversity around him.

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I pushed back and said lucks biggest reason for success was much more about a flawless skill set and off the charts football iq. Sac is selling to us that geno could step into Stanford and do the same things luck did.

Yes, I am.

I think that Geno Smith is a very high level QB prospect with excellent intelligence and on-the-field awareness. I don't think for one instance that there isn't a program or situation at the college level that he wouldn't be successful at due to his skill set and intangibles. I tried to point this out to you stating that he's played under two distinctly different systems and has had success at both.

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He is trying to downplay lucks resume, trying to imply luck wouldn't have succeeded with Genos supporting cast, and strongly implying that geno could have succeeded in Stanford's football iq heavy offense in the same way luck did.

No, I am not.

Luck would have had success at any system he played in because of his amazing football accumen, size, athleticism and skill set. The same can be said of Geno, IMO.

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Give me a break. Just because he's on your side now doesnt mean ou should act like all of a sudden his exaggerated optimism is suddenly acceptable.

Your reading comprehension level is apparently abyssmal. Either that or you are just plain dumb.

All you see is someone comparing somebody to Luck and Griffin, and it's got your hackles raised and you are immediately on the defensive and can't seem to see anything beyond your own opinion on Luck and Griffin being the love children of a melding of Montana, Brady, Starr, Graham, Dawson, Young, Manning, Elway and Unitas.

Deeznuts I'm starting to lean toward him too. Barkleys injury may great for us cause I think we might've taken him over smith. I do like how quickly he gets rid of the ball.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9148859)

You said, you dipshit, that his absolute fllor is a running QB.

Did I misread that, you dipshit?

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And there you go again with dipshittery.

This O-Line for the Chiefs, as is, can provide Smith with the protection to go through progressions and make reads in a timely and efficient manner, and you dismiss his mobility like he's incapable of moving.

You, again, as stated before, are a dipshit.

You yourself, and plenty of others, have said he has to stop staring down his primary read. And let's face it, most of his success has been built around not being asked to do this very much. His sophomore season shows he can do it, but the fact that people want to use this season to suggest he would excel at it... Again, this is unbelievable exaggeration.

I like the guy. I'm just tired of exaggerations. I can't believe I actually have to fight the idea that comparisons to luck and rgIII are nonsense. And somehow people are buying this hype.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9148741)

Again... I believe he has the character and work ethic to do it. But the idea that he can use his athletic ability to build his game around bailing out is just wrong.

Who in the hell said that we need to build a game around his athletic ability to bail out the offense?

Seriously, are you high?

The reason I love Geno as a prospect is his ability to stay within the pocket, move around in the pocket while avoiding the rush, keep his eyes downfield and make the throw.

And he's got enough athleticism to escape, when he needs to. But I want my QB making the downfield throw, not running around the field willy nilly trying to make a play with his legs and dumping off as a last resort.

I made this comparison last season about this time - Griffin reminds me of Fran Tarkenton.

Geno Smith reminds me of an Aaron Rogers/Warren Moon type of QB.

I think between the two puts us a lot better than what we have now . Although I still want to see stanzi one of my bar customers swears he is our savior!

He must've slept with piolis wife or something. It doesn't make since why he still isn't playing.

It's like when I played college soccer my coach said I wasn't good enough to play. Then cause of injuries I get in and I almost score on my first game. Moral sometimes there are other factors instead of who is good or who isn't.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9149034)

That is rgIIIs floor. And stop implying like I said that's ok. I don't know why you keep bringing this up except to slyly make people believe that I want a Vick like qb or think that's ok. Or that I project rgIII to be a Vick like qb. The point is a dumb one to dwell on and incredibly misleading.

You yourself, and plenty of others, have said he has to stop staring down his primary read. And let's face it, most of his success has been built around not being asked to do this very much. His sophomore season shows he can do it, but the fact that people want to use this season to suggest he would excel at it... Again, this is unbelievable exaggeration.

I like the guy. I'm just tired of exaggerations. I can't believe I actually have to fight the idea that comparisons to luck and rgIII are nonsense. And somehow people are buying this hype.

I am not dwelling on it.

I am responding to it with each post that you respond.

The fact is, that absolute floor that you point out is why he has far less bust potettial.

That is sheer and utter dipshitery.

I said that he has a tendency to stare down his primary deep read when he feels the need for big plays.

If he is not playing to keep up with opponents, that is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9148929)

Please tell us what you look for that the average fan doesn't.

I need a good laugh.

He won't give you an answer. At least, not a serious one.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9148959)

No, I am not.

I have never said that Luck's success was overstated, nor have I said that because Geno has thrown for half the interceptions as Luck did last year that he is/was better than Luck as a prospect. That is simply fact - Geno has five interceptions this year, while Luck had ten last year.

No, I did not.

I am stating that Geno has put up near identical statistics as Luck with a substantially worse supporting cast. I am attempting to show that Geno is a top flight QB and even in the face of having one of the worst defenses in NCAA football and having to play behind in many of his conference games and having to play behind an offensive line that isn't the best, he has continued to make excellent decisions with the football and has maintained a superb accuracy level.

I'm trying to show that Geno has kicked major ass this year in the face of adversity around him.

Yes, I am.

I think that Geno Smith is a very high level QB prospect with excellent intelligence and on-the-field awareness. I don't think for one instance that there isn't a program or situation at the college level that he wouldn't be successful at due to his skill set and intangibles. I tried to point this out to you stating that he's played under two distinctly different systems and has had success at both.

No, I am not.

Luck would have had success at any system he played in because of his amazing football accumen, size, athleticism and skill set. The same can be said of Geno, IMO.

Your reading comprehension level is apparently abyssmal. Either that or you are just plain dumb.

All you see is someone comparing somebody to Luck and Griffin, and it's got your hackles raised and you are immediately on the defensive and can't seem to see anything beyond your own opinion on Luck and Griffin being the love children of a melding of Montana, Brady, Starr, Graham, Dawson, Young, Manning, Elway and Unitas.

This is a good response. Thank you.

But I'm sorry... You brought up how Genos stats compare to lucks, you brought up luck having much better talent around him, you made the bold claim that geno could fit in seamlessly at Stanford, you brought up luck having more ints than geno. Don't pretend there wasn't an obvious agenda here.