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staylor26 05-22-2023 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16953885)
As some have said, do we really want Kelce having such a huge usage and get his 34 year old brains mashed in? Id like to give him some breathers against in easier games and a real #1 WR will do that. Mahomes arguably has never not had a #1 WR before. Tyreek and then Juju. Now.....MVS? Its a stretch to assume the offense will be AS dominant as it always has.
LMAO

JuJu isn't a #1 WR either dumbass.

Megatron96 05-22-2023 12:05 PM
JuJu was a middling WR2, ranked somewhere between 43rd-50something of starting WRs. Pretty much always his wheelhouse. About midway through the 2022 season he may have fallen out of that tier (44th-55th) if his production was true indicator of his performance.

BWillie 05-22-2023 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16953893)
LMAO

JuJu isn't a #1 WR either dumbass.
Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.

penguinz 05-22-2023 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16953915)
Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.
Adding arguably doesn't make it any less false. JuJu isn't even arguably a #1. He is a solid #2 and nothing more.

staylor26 05-22-2023 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16953915)
Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.
You're still wrong.

No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.

arrowheadnation 05-22-2023 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16953891)
JuJu was is not a #1. He is a quality #2. KC had no true #1 last season. Closest would be Kelce.
It can pretty easily/fairly be said that Mahomes has never had a typical NFL #1 WR. Tyreek is a unicorn. He doesn't fit the build nor does his game fit that of a #1. He isn't the type of WR that can just take over a game with size/jumping/catching ability. He does it with speed and he really shines when he can play opposite of a #1 WR to draw away some of the defensive pressure. Kelce played that role for us and Waddle is doing it in Miami. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he is not a prototypical #1. I'd just really like to see what Mahomes could do with a true dominant #1 WR.

Toad 05-22-2023 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16953924)
…No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.
Their biggest hurdle will be developing the trust of Mahomes

BWillie 05-22-2023 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16953924)
You're still wrong.

No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.
Knowing that as a certainty is a big leap. Its not outside the realm of possibilities but I dont want maybe or even probably better. The next two seasons are that important to Mahomes legacy. I want certainty

chiefs1111 05-22-2023 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16953879)
He lists them as 1-5, PM being 3, but I think he was just naming 5 qbs. Obviously PM would be #1.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Hopkins was asked on <a href="https://twitter.com/IAMATHLETEpod?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAMATHLETEpod</a> which QBs he&#39;d love to have throwing him the ball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> QB Josh Allen was quickly his first answer. <br><br>Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert rounded out his top-5.<a href="https://t.co/gtepzf9JD4">pic.twitter.com/gtepzf9JD4</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1660703286842802176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
lol at Bills fans losing their minds again thinking that means hes going to end up there

staylor26 05-22-2023 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16953973)
Knowing that as a certainty is a big leap. Its not outside the realm of possibilities but I dont want maybe or even probably better. The next two seasons are that important to Mahomes legacy. I want certainty
You know what was a big leap? Assuming this offense wouldn't miss a beat without Tyreek.

Yet...

But sure, now it might fall apart without JuJu :rolleyes:

Mecca 05-22-2023 01:00 PM
The Bills already had their all in year lol...at this point Arizona may just keep him.

chiefzilla1501 05-22-2023 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by arrowheadnation (Post 16953965)
It can pretty easily/fairly be said that Mahomes has never had a typical NFL #1 WR. Tyreek is a unicorn. He doesn't fit the build nor does his game fit that of a #1. He isn't the type of WR that can just take over a game with size/jumping/catching ability. He does it with speed and he really shines when he can play opposite of a #1 WR to draw away some of the defensive pressure. Kelce played that role for us and Waddle is doing it in Miami. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he is not a prototypical #1. I'd just really like to see what Mahomes could do with a true dominant #1 WR.
Yeah, this is the key point. Our offense will be more than fine. Mahomes and Reid will make it work. They did that and then some last year. it's not panicking that we'll suck. I don't think people appreciate how high this offenses ceiling is if we did have talent at WR. In fact I think a huge problem in 2020 was Sammy Watkins was way more valuable than we realized. You put even a middling (but true) WR1 with the quality depth we have in our new WR room and I don't think anyone will ever assume again that our ceiling is an efficient catch and run offense.

chiefzilla1501 05-22-2023 01:10 PM
And yeah, I assume burrow and Josh Allen when theyre hot they're going to cook even if our defense is top tier. I don't want to rely on the defense to win these games. I want the best version of our offense being realistic that we are obviously not going to have pro bowlers everywhere. And using WR2s as WR1 despite our successes is not that.

O.city 05-22-2023 01:25 PM
The 2022 offense was better than the 20 offense by most every metric.

The Chiefs front office has prioritized the OL over weapons with the money spend and the weapons over the OL in the draft.

They're not gonna go overpay for an older WR on his last legs unless he comes cheap.

Mecca 05-22-2023 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16954050)
The 2022 offense was better than the 20 offense by most every metric.

The Chiefs front office has prioritized the OL over weapons with the money spend and the weapons over the OL in the draft.

They're not gonna go overpay for an older WR on his last legs unless he comes cheap.
We're not as explosive as we once were, it'd be nice to have both elements on offense but hey that's how life goes sometimes.


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