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aturnis 05-27-2012 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8641398)
I'm not buying this. Hell, Tyler fricking Palko was making presnap reads/adjustments that Cassel doesn't/can't. And he even won a game at Chicago in the same manner that Cassel has to win with... and nearly even beat the Steelers too. More rushing attempts than passing attempts.
I don't recall seeing anything of the sort from Palko. In fact, I remember most here ridiculing Haley for saying Palko was such smart player and the coaches son and blah blah blah, while it never presented itself on the field. The only thing that saved Palko from certain death was the jump pass.

Coogs 05-27-2012 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8641521)
I don't recall seeing anything of the sort from Palko. In fact, I remember most here ridiculing Haley for saying Palko was such smart player and the coaches son and blah blah blah, while it never presented itself on the field. The only thing that saved Palko from certain death was the jump pass.
:shrug: I do.

Setsuna 05-27-2012 01:27 PM
Romo can't stay healthy worth a darn. Orton will be playing by week 9.

aturnis 05-27-2012 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8641425)
I know we hate Cassel, and it has made us overvalue other QB's. Orton is not a good QB. He's really very average. Maybe he's a bit better than Cassel, but it's not enough that it really matters. They both should be back ups in the NFL.
This. Orton would not have been an upgrade.

You guys are just infatuated with the IDEA of a QB better than Cassel. You're seeing things that aren't there.

Look. I AM NOT DEFENDING CASSEL! I want him gone probably more than most, but at least be objective about the facts. CASSEL WILL NEVER TAKE US TO THE SUPERBOWL! let alone win the damned thing. He needs to go.

He isn't the worst QB in the NFL, but he certainly isn't a starter. His true value is more than what we saw last season, but not anywhere near 27-7. I do think he is every bit as good as Orton though. His advantage in the redzone being a huge part of leveling that playing field.

aturnis 05-27-2012 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8641500)
He's better than Cassel between the 20s but Cassel is better than him inside the 20s.
Thank you.

Coogs 05-27-2012 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8641548)
You guys are just infatuated with the IDEA of a QB better than Cassel. You're seeing things that aren't there.
:spock:

BoneKrusher 05-27-2012 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8641548)
Orton would not have been an upgrade.
cant agree with this^

BossChief 05-27-2012 01:47 PM
Stanzi > Orton

BoneKrusher 05-27-2012 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8641582)
Stanzi > Orton
could be but how will we ever know if they keep him riding the pine..

BigChiefFan 05-27-2012 01:54 PM
Without naming the QBs, which would you prefer based on their stats?

QB 1-76TDs 45 INTs 18 Fumbles, QB Rating 82.5

QB2-60 TDs 37 INTs 8 fumbles, QB Rating 84.7

QB3-51 TDs, 46 INTs, 9 Fumbles QB Rating 79.0

QB4-55TDs, 51 INTs, 17 Fumbles, QB Rating 73.2

I'll reveal the players later.

BigMeatballDave 05-27-2012 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8641510)
Can you not read?

When Orton came in, Haley had been fired and Crennel allowed Muir to simply call the plays he chose without running them by him first. Orton got to the line with ample time to make pre-snap reads, a luxury not afforded to Cassel often last season. With the information he was able to gather, he could identify favorable matchups, hot routes, blitzes, and call for a change in blocking assignments accordingly. That, in and of itself, would be a huge plus as far as sacks go.

The difference is, even with all the extra info from pre-snap reads, Orton still couldn't punch it into the endzone.
If you couldn't tell the offense was more productive with Orton, then you should stop following football.

Orton does have issues in the EZ, but the biggest problem was shitty goal line blocking and running.

BigMeatballDave 05-27-2012 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8641582)
Stanzi > Orton
No way of knowing that now.

BoneKrusher 05-27-2012 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 8641590)
Without naming the QBs, which would you prefer based on their stats?

QB 1-76TDs 45 INTs 18 Fumbles, QB Rating 82.5

QB2-60 TDs 37 INTs 8 fumbles, QB Rating 84.7

QB3-51 TDs, 46 INTs, 9 Fumbles QB Rating 79.0

QB4-55TDs, 51 INTs, 17 Fumbles, QB Rating 73.2

I'll reveal the players later.
not QB 1, thats Cassel.

BigChiefFan 05-27-2012 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8641595)
not QB 1, thats Cassel.
...and there lies the problem. You're willing to ignore the actual stats and blindly dismiss his play, because of his name.

aturnis 05-27-2012 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8641592)
If you couldn't tell the offense was more productive with Orton, then you should stop following football.

Orton does have issues in the EZ, but the biggest problem was shitty goal line blocking and running.
Who said it wasn't more productive fuqtard? It should have been. For once, there was actually time for pre-snap reads. That is why Orton didn't prove shit. Not only did he have an unfair advantage over Cassel, but he didn't actually produce but 1 TD. All those yards mean shit without points. How many of Ortons trips to the redzone ended in either a FG, Int, or turnover on downs? Answer, all but one.


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