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It's been a long time coming. Adiós. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=293196)

You're always 3 years late, bud. I'm sure that'll be your stance when Wilson is considered one of the faces of the NFL

"Well gee, 3 years ago he wasn't good and now he is! By golly!"

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11578961)

You're always 3 years late, bud. I'm sure that'll be your stance when Wilson is considered one of the faces of the NFL

"Well gee, 3 years ago he wasn't good and now he is! By golly!"

When have I said that he doesn't have the potential to be great? Link me to a post.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11578973)

When have I said that he doesn't have the potential to be great? Link me to a post.

Lmao

Haha

So now you're hedging all bets. Kudos, king. Pussy per usual.

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11578980)

Lmao

Haha

So now you're hedging all bets. Kudos, king. Pussy per usual.

I'm really confused now. So the fact that I think he's mere very good (not elite like you say ) now and has the potential to be great later makes me a pussy?

So I have to label a player elite or bust after their 3rd year or I'm a pussy? I can't say they're good and ascending? You have the weirdest sports fan rules.

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 11578881)

It's sad to see another good September 2005 guy go. Simply Red, FAX and you...

If I'm being honest though, you probably just burned yourself out. While I appreciate your candid nature and well thought out responses, you were also kind of a dick. Your opinion was always right and you think you're smarter than everyone else. Enjoy the antifreeze.

This should really be the standard template for people who start "Leaving Forever" threads.

Start with these words, and then maybe branch out if you want to... but this seems to be a good enough, standard reply.

I'll admit I've never understood these threads. I've "left" a number of times. I just take a break, then come back when I cool down a bit.

To each his own. :shrug:

EDIT: I've clearly missed a lot in this thread. Carry on.

This thread pretty much sums up Chiefsplanet.

A "Leaving forever" thread becomes an Alex Smith thread, a head coach bash and defend thread, a "Hey, buddy" thread, a Clay trolling thread, and a "Look at me, I'm Hootie!" thread.

LMAO

About the only thing missing is a Rain Man poll.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 11579078)

It's a special kind of stupid here.

It's home.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 11579078)

Rain Man should make a poll of ALL posters in a 10 round heat or how ever many it takes to end up with the one should make a "Leaving Forever" thread.

Brilliant :toast:

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11578068)

Yes.

An Alex Smith team that had less talent than this one was a muffed punt away from a Super Bowl. In an AFC with a slowly decaying Peyton Manning and a Patriots team that just suffered massive FA defections, only the Steelers can credibly be seen as a surefire offensive juggernaut. The Chiefs are right there with every other very talented but flawed team in the conference. Yes, they can absolutely get to the SB and it wouldn't take any miracles to get there.

I'm not inclined to get into another ****ing Alex Smith discussion, but to say that a team simply cannot contend for a SB with Alex Smith is just 100% devoid of reason.

Again, if you're 3 seasons into this and you're still starting every season with 'who cares, Alex Smith is still here', then you really should step away from the team until he's not. I was wholly prepared to do it with Pioli. I'm doing it with the Blues as well. If you're completely fatalist about a franchise then you cannot derive any joy from it. If that's the case...walk away.

California Chiefs shit doesn't do anything to foster further discussion. It doesn't do anything to encourage discourse or even reasoned disagreement. It's just more Eeyore bullshit. It's not 'intelligent analysis' or proof of anyone's knowledge as a football fan - it's just being a goth kid.

Enjoy dressing in black but don't flatter yourself into believing that your side of this particular discussion is any more enlightened than it's polar opposite.

I agree with the belief that this team can win a advance to, and win a SB with Smith, but I can not agree that the 9ers were just a muffed punt away from a SB.

It still comes down to making plays.

Alex Smith did not make plays against that Giant defense, while Eli Manning made 2 huge plays against that 9er defense.

If Smith makes just one or two plays, just converts one meaningful 3rd down play in that game, the 9ers win, and Williams never gets an opportunity to muff that punt.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11580727)

I agree with the belief that this team can win a advance to, and win a SB with Smith, but I can not agree that the 9ers were just a muffed punt away from a SB.

You really are a stupid asshole. Perfect for this forum. :doh!:

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11580727)

100%

Alex Smith was the reason they lost that game, 100%

...and I like Alex.

As they were punting, I even thought, "meh, it's not like the 49ers are gonna move the ball or anything"

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11578113)

What in the actual ****?

Really? So to stay the same as last year, Grubbs and Maclin would need to provide NO improvement over McGlynn and Bowe. DJ will have to provide NO improvement over Mauga. Peters and/or Gaines will have to provide NO improvement over the Fleming/Cooper duo (oh, and Fleming can't improve either). DeVito will have to provide NOTHING. Fulton, Morse, Allen AND Stephenson will have to either show no improvement or not be better than Ryan Harris was last season. Kelce will have to show no growth. Wilson will have to be worse than Avery/Hemmingway. Ford will have to show no growth. Fisher will have to show no growth.

We declined in one single area - Hudson. One spot. We added talent in several key spots and can expect some development in others.

In the end, weird stuff happens in this game and perhaps all of those things will take place and we won't get better. But to sit there as of today and say "there's more evidence we'll be the same than there is that we'll get better" is just categorically false. There's a TON of evidence to suggest we'll improve.

Here's the problem.

I struggle to believe that Kush was left on the bench because the staff sees him as center prospect only.

Okay, I lied, I don't struggle to believe it, I think it's an out and out lie.

I fully expect Kush to suck balls as much at center as McGlynn did at guard.
Add to that the evidence to suggest that Grubbs has begun his downward spiral, and that Allen has sucked, and that we have no idea what to expect Stephenson, or any of the other bodies that we are throwing out there, then there is reason to believe that there is no improvement on the line.

Maclin is a perfect fit for Smith, so that is assuredly an upgrade in this system, with Smith from Bowe.
Beyond Maclin, there are still nothing more than questions at WR.

The defense with DJ and DeVito returning is almost certainly going to improve against the run, and the pass defense will also almost certainly be improved.

But, at the end of the day, the defense wasn't really an issue last year, so the questions on offense are the ones that will have to be resolved to see this team improve.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11578164)

Except for in 2013 when Russell Wilson was a bystander to a SB championship.

Wilson developed into a better QB in '14 than he was in '13, no question. And at this point I do think he's a better QB than Smith because he is more aggressive.

But we're literally 18 months removed from the Seahawks D dragging Wilson to a SB championship. The first two rounds of the playoffs were Seattle's D doing serious work while Wilson largely spun his wheels. And against the Broncos are you really going to try to say that the savage beating the D put on Manning and crew isn't why they won that championship?

One. Season. Ago.

That's not ancient history, fellas. If the 2013 Seahawks can win a Super Bowl with Wilson's exceedingly mediocre performance, the Chiefs can absolutely do so in 2015. And if the 2014 Seahawks can lose in the SB despite improved play from their QB in 2014, then perhaps we should stop acting like the QB is the only thing that matters or that failing to win a SB is an indictment on a team at large.

Regardless of Wilson's "exceedingly mediocre performance", Wilson has consistently stepped up and made plays in clutch situations.

Alex Smith hasn't.