They must've missed his Junior season.

If the Cards got lucky, his JR year regression was an aberration. He was on track after his Soph season to be a top 10 pick. As a junior he lost a few mph and some movement. Most thought the pick was actually a bit of a reach where the Cards grabbed him.

I've never seen him pitch so I can't really speak to much. His K rate is too low and his H/9 is too high in A+ for me to think he's recaptured his plus stuff, though. I just can't see him as an elite prospect at this point. Maybe a #3 ceiling? Possible high-end relief arm?

A polished college pitcher should be waxing A+ and he's really not. He was damn effective, but not dominating. His results actually look a lot like what Kaminsky was doing who was a year behind him developmentally and didn't pitch in college; we traded him for nothing.

Jack Flaherty is the pitcher in the low minors that I'll be keeping a close eye on now that Reyes has moved to a more prominent role in the system.

On the bright side, no chance in hell Choate is gonna be back.

If the Cardinals re-sign Heyward they might want to consider trading Grichuk.

I know that he has eye-popping power, but he's not going to put up a .375 BABIP like he did before his elbow injury. The problem is that the rest of the league is smart enough now that you won't be able to get something back without warts.

Adams is a sunk cost and I would be fine with leaving him as a lefty bench bat or in AAA.

Piscotty, although he surpassed all expectations this year, might not have the pop in his bat to make him a real asset at first.

Ideally, playing Piscotty for 80 in left, 40 at first, and 10 in right with 8 or so DH games where he can occupy a spot in left while Holliday DH's would be just about right.

That gives you 90 games of Holliday with his bat first off the bench.

OF is:

Piscotty, Heyward, Grichuk, Holliday, Pham, Jay, so someone has got to go. Jay is untradeable. Maybe Heyward signs somewhere else. If so, the problem solves itself and Grichuk and Piscotty are your COF for four years.

Moss should be non-tendered, although depending on the condition of his hip, it wouldn't surprise me if they did offer him as a backup to Adams being a worthless pile of shit.

Just an idea for a post-hype prospect who has had some injury concerns: Jurickson Profar.

I wonder what the Rangers would give up for him now.

Good hustle out there, guys. Good luck next year!

These amateur sports fans are a different animal down here. They still think Teabow could have been an NFL QB if given a better chance. The little league fields are packed. I should post a photo of the elementary football fields and the crowds near me. Their opinions of players from their towns are taken with a grain of salt.

Yup, Profar is the guy I'd be looking into as well.

Odor has fully and finally blocked the guy.

That said, can you really justify giving much up for him? His shoulder may well be hamburger at this point and even if it isn't, he's just a magnet for injuries.

I just don't know what a proper return for him would be.

What am I missing here? If Pitchers can come back from Tommy John the same as they were before surgery, and he's not even that bad, why would he not return to his "normal"?
aAgreed, He needs to eat some salads and get his ass in shape of just be a bench bat.
yeah, you usually have a basher there but in our line up Piscotty can't sit no matter what position he plays. Buying a 1B FA basher and moving Piscotty to the OF aint cheap.
yep, someone has to go because of Jay.
Moss doesn't cost anything next year does he? Maybe he does something in spring training and we can get something for him in a trade?

Because Grichuk's 'normal' was never a .375 BABIP.

He was lucky. It's not a question of rebounding from injury, it's an issue of regressing to the mean.

If they keep Moss he'll cost them upwards of $7 million. That's what makes the trade doubly reeruned. He's 3rd year arb eligible and was always a likely non-tender candidate.

His power is not luck. There are so few players in MLB with "real", "natural" power. I just don't see why we would let one of those players go. We can't trade him for a more established power hitter. No team makes that trade.

How do we get anything of value for him? Some AA prospect? **** that. I'm not saying he's the real deal. Only that he has "real" power and we need "real" power.

Thats an interesting site.

I like if you scroll down to Schwarbers HR off of Wacha it says that's a HR in 0 ballparks.

I mean, I'm sure Wong is a frustrating guy but LMAO if you think going from Wong to Profar is a plus move. Wong was a 2.3 WAR guy ... but I realize you guys have irrational hate for players after a while

but in the 7th inning of the Royals / Astros game 4 Discuss Thrower wanted to DFA and kick Hosmer off the team for good so ... I understand how irrational fans are

The discussion has nothing to do with replacing Wong with profar. We were discussing finding a long term option at shortstop because peralta appeared to slow.

So, maybe don't go off all half cocked?