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LoneWolf 11-21-2018 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Randallflagg (Post 13908782)
Never been a rich man, myself, but I have, on occasion, come into contact with a few and I can tell you this for a FACT: The more money you (the NFL) have, the more you crave.

The NFL is a money making machine. Lenny Dawson made $30,000 a year when he played. He was “rich”. Had to work at a real job in the off season. How many years ago was that?

Today? The TRAINERS make over $250,000 per year - the TRAINERS. If you can’t see where this is going - you might rethink your position on corporate “greed”......

Again, I’m not claiming “fixing”....But I am claiming that whatever the hell it takes to improve the profit margin each year to pay for a $120 million player - they WILL do that.
Why do businesses exist? When you can answer that question, then ask yourself what is probably the biggest risk to the NFL's future earning potential. When you answer that question, you will understand why this conspiracy that the games are fixed is dumb.

rabblerouser 11-21-2018 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13908817)
Holy shit, a second rate musician and dead beat dad with a drug problem and clinical depression made fun of me. ROFL
Better than being a 3rd rate football coach that doesn't understand football...or why he's so attracted to the little boys.

Quit molesting your players, queermo.

ROFL ROFL

Randallflagg 11-21-2018 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13908824)
Why do businesses exist? When you can answer that question, then ask yourself what is probably the biggest risk to the NFL's future earning potential. When you answer that question, you will understand why this conspiracy that the games are fixed is dumb.

You asked and answered your own question. Again, I do NOT believe that there is wholesale “fixing” - but there is long term profit and loss potential.

Whatever the hell makes the NFL more money - they WILL do it. Just like AT&T, Just like GE, and a host of other multi-billion dollar companies... Whatever it takes.

If you choose to take “rigging” out of the equation, after the trials, after the scandals, after the mob influence of the 60s, after Vegas - then there is nothing I can do to help you. You are saying (the owners) wish to increase their profit each year yet you discount the “possibility” of underhanded actions to “help” that equation along. I submit that it is YOU who are short-sighted.

Funny thing about white collar crime - it ALWAYS hides right in plain sight.

007 11-21-2018 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13907972)
The original intent of the thread and poll was a much narrower point and idea that sprung from a conversation in the All-Star ref thread. It's turn into a thread on the NFL being fixed and the refs being told by the NFL office HQ who will win the game.
I agree that "stars" get different and better treatment. But, thats in all sports. A veteran baseball pitcher that has a reputation for control, gets the called strikes on the corner that the rookie doesn't. etc. Thats not a conspiracy, thats human nature.

In the NFL, its a "star" thing, not small market vs. big market.
As I said, its star driven, not big city market driven. We have Mahomes so we are going to get the breaks in the next 10 years, not because he plays for the Chiefs. All sports are "star" driven in 2018. This isn't a NFL alone issue either. If Brady/Bellicheck had been in Clevland, they would have won multiple Super Bowls in that city.
Will have to agree to disagree. I've seen too much BS by the refs to view this any other way. The number of people opening their eyes to it should concern the NFL.

ChiefsCountry 11-21-2018 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 13908797)
I'm pretty sure Vegas operates on that sort of "luck"...

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's all just in our heads. If the Chiefs had been winning all of those Superbowls, I'm sure the major competitors would all be coming to Arrowhead each year...
No its pretty much luck where we have to finish the same finish in our divisions the previous year.

By the way we will be playing in New England next year again as it looks.
https://fbschedules.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/

BlackOp 11-21-2018 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13908802)
Refs certainly seems to make decisions about how they are going to call games instead of just calling what they see. Too often they seems to decide that one team is bad and is going to commit penalties. It also seems like they decide to help teams get back into a game.

Whatever it is, Refs need to just call what they see instead of getting involved in their games.
Not going to happen....they need ratings for the entire game. The need to show the advertisers that investing in the 4th quarter of a game is worth it.

This all started the moment the NFL signed a multi-billion dollar deal...advertising drives the NFL now. It's not really a sport anymore...just a delivery vehicle to abuse your eyeballs with products you dont really need.

rabblerouser 11-21-2018 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13908824)
Why do businesses exist?
To make money.


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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13908824)

When you can answer that question, then ask yourself what is probably the biggest risk to the NFL's future earning potential. When you answer that question, you will understand why this conspiracy that the games are fixed is dumb.
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It is legal for the media to lie to us all. Not just in the realm of sports, but in every aspect of journalism and mass media. Don't believe me?

The New York Times recently admitted that it -- and virtually every major media outlet -- allows the government to censor its work. The jaw-dropping article/admission can be found here (the full piece is embedded within the linked article).

If this can occur, do you honestly believe that ESPN/ABC/Disney, CBS, FOX, NBC/Universal and Time Warner (which owns TBS, TNT and Sports Illustrated) report truly and accurately on the professional sports world which they fund?

Four of these five mass media conglomerates give the NFL alone $6 billion a season. Are they then going to turn around and investigation any improprieties within the league that threatens those investments? Especially when they are able to legally lie to their consumers while censoring the work of individuals who may be committed to reporting the truth?

As Karl Taro Greenfeld recent wrote in Businessweek, "In a real sense, ESPN no longer covers sports. It controls sports."

With all of this being true, what then is preventing a league -- or all of the leagues -- from fixing the outcome of their own games to maximize profit and revenue which is the very reason why they put on these exhibitions?

The short answer is obvious: Nothing.

ChiefsCountry 11-21-2018 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13908845)
Not going to happen....they need ratings for the entire game. The need to show the advertisers that investing in the 4th quarter of a game is worth it.

This all started the moment the NFL signed a multi-billion dollar deal...advertising drives the NFL now. It not really a sport anymore...just a vehicle to abuse your eyeballs with products you dont really need.
You are a ****ing moron.

BlackOp 11-21-2018 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13908851)
You are a ****ing moron.
You have no thoughts but token digital insults....solid debating tactic.

"I dont like what you are saying, so I will call you a name"....ROFL

LoneWolf 11-21-2018 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13908835)
Better than being a 3rd rate football coach that doesn't understand football...or why he's so attracted to the little boys.

Quit molesting your players, queermo.

ROFL ROFL
https://i.gifer.com/Gxgh.gif

ChiefsCountry 11-21-2018 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13908853)
You have no thoughts but token digital insults....solid debating tactic.
I don't waste my time debating with a complete ****ing mongoloid.

BlackOp 11-21-2018 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13908861)
I don't waste my time debating with a complete ****ing mongoloid.
Another sterling reply...I'm feeling the true brunt of your superior intellect.

Keep them coming...you're on a roll...

BTW...Mongoloid - relating to the broad division of humankind including the indigenous peoples of eastern Asia, Southeast Asia, and the Arctic region of North America

ptlyon 11-21-2018 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13908844)
No its pretty much luck where we have to finish the same finish in our divisions the previous year.

By the way we will be playing in New England next year again as it looks.
https://fbschedules.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/
And in arrowhead in 2020.

And maybe again in 2021. Holy shit that year is gonna suck. We play the Steelers, cowboys, and giants, maybe the Patriots, but they all will be at home.

ChiefsCountry 11-21-2018 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 13908869)
And in arrowhead in 2020.

And maybe again in 2021. Holy shit that year is gonna suck. We play the Steelers, cowboys, and giants, maybe the Patriots, but they all will be at home.
2021 be a good year for season ticket holders.

LoneWolf 11-21-2018 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13908849)
To make money.
So, you're telling me that if a whistle blower came forward with proof of NFL mandated "fixing" or "tilting" of games, that nobody would report on it. You understand that there are literally hundreds of media outlets not controlled by the major networks. The public being shown that the NFL fixes games or tries to control outcomes would be devastating to the league. The risk of that happening far outweighs any profits that could be gained by these actions. The NFL makes huge sums of money without manipulating their product. Why in the world would they risk losing it all?


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