Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16666202)

4 total pressures against the Donks. He’s approaching 40 overall.

The difference between him and Hutchinson is that George has had his hands on QB’s and just hasn’t finished the job even though it still ruins most of those plays.

He should have at least 6 sacks.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16666151)

I bet he gets 8 in the regular season as a rookie. I see no reason he can't be a perennial 10 sack guy moving forward.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16666202)

4 total pressures against the Donks. He’s approaching 40 overall.

The difference between him and Hutchinson is that George has had his hands on QB’s and just hasn’t finished the job even though it still ruins most of those plays.

He should have at least 6 sacks.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16666147)

Why can't he be the Tamba Hali 14.5 sack guy

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16666727)

Short arms?..:shrug:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16666658)

He's st 3.5 with 4 games left I think that's pretty unlikely

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16666136)

Karlaftis literally barely missed two sacks where his get off was a major factor, not power or coverage.

Tribal is going to eat shit over the next month...hell probably Sunday.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16666858)

Trey Hendrickson : 32"

George Karlaftis: 32 5/8"

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16666942)

It's not like we are dealing with tyson jackson here.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16667019)

George has literally been in the NFL for 3.5 months. You can't say what a rookie is, or isn't, after 14 weeks.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16667036)

No, that's not true. I can definitely say his floor is already greater than Tyson Jackson's ceiling.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16667019)

George has literally been in the NFL for 3.5 months. You can't say what a rookie is, or isn't, after 14 weeks. He's been doing well creating pressures (i can't remember if he's leading all rooks or he's 2nd now) and he's been pretty good vs. the run. He has great core strength, a great motor, a pretty good tackler, and from what I can tell a pretty high football IQ.

We'll see how he develops over the next year or so, but I'm optimistic at this point.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16667042)

Sacks are fairly easy to understand and they're clearly important/emotional (crowd response). Pressures etc. are a tad more difficult to understand/appreciate, so it's not surprising that Chief Fan wouldn't understand/appreciate their value.

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16667054)

I appreciate pass pressure because a lot of times that leads to a hurried pass and incomplesion possible interception or intentional grounding. Pressure leads to mistakes by the quarterback. Knocking down the quarterback as he gets rid of the ball and no flag the quarterback feels that and can get him rattled.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667089)

Finish the play. . Deforest Buckner had great pressure against Patrick in SB LIV all day then Jet Chip Wasp happened.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16667254)

Here's the thing: According to ESPN, the top 15 EDGEs in the league historically only "finish the play," about 17% of the time. Probably not a great idea to hang your hat on the idea that your EDGEs are going to get sacks on a consistent basis.

But making a QB make a mistake by getting pressure on him is easier to do, plus if a DB gets a pick, the odds of being able to run it back or at least greatly change field position is much higher.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16667254)

Here's the thing: According to ESPN, the top 15 EDGEs in the league historically only "finish the play," about 17% of the time. Probably not a great idea to hang your hat on the idea that your EDGEs are going to get sacks on a consistent basis.

But making a QB make a mistake by getting pressure on him is easier to do, plus if a DB gets a pick, the odds of being able to run it back or at least greatly change field position is much higher.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16610117)

If he reached that mark of production it would be a justified 1st round pick and continues that. Especially if Sam Williams produces at the same level, but if Karlaftis stays as is and is just a try hard then it would be disappointing.

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16667270)

George has more sacks than Sam, more QB pressures and more passes defended.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id...2/sam-williams

George has sacks in 3 straight game-Sam has not had one in 4 games.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667274)

Sam, has played less snaps and had more production with said opportunities.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667274)

Sam, has played less snaps and had more production with said opportunities.

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16667307)

I suggest we merge this type of comment with the Watson gets more snaps than Skyy Moore thread(s).

The kid isn't a JAG, he's just now figuring the NFL out. Will he be a Tamba or DT when it comes to sacks? Probably not, but I'll take those pressures and batted balls as a sign Veach made the right call.

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 16667284)

I mean… you have to see how dumb you sound right?

Sam Williams is a good pass rusher. But he’s in the Aldon Smith mold. There’s a reason he doesn’t get more snaps. And it’s convenient you’re using him as well. And not the other 5 pass rushers chosen between the two.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667274)

Sam, has played less snaps and had more production with said opportunities.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667353)

I'm using Sam Williams because if you look back that's who I wanted KC to select during the draft process.

Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 16667415)

PFF is a ****ing joke. What they say means nothing.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667353)

Demarcus Lawrence & Micah Parsons.


I'm using Sam Williams because if you look back that's who I wanted KC to select during the draft process.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16667377)

And THERE it is. The source of the friction.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16667467)

This right here explains everything including your dislike of Karlaftis.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16269864)

Chiefs selected Purdue EDGE George Karlaftis with the No. 30 overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft.

In another age, Karlaftis (6’4/266) would have been guarding Mount Olympus, as the Purdue star was born in Athens, Greece before moving to Indiana, where he developed into a four-star recruit. He was a foundational player for the program, logging 843 snaps while generating 54 tackles, 17.0 TFL, 7.5 sacks, two PBUs, and an interception and earning first-team Freshman All-American and second-team. Last year, Karlaftis posted 41 tackles, 11.5 TFLs, five sacks, three fumbles, and two PBUs while earning second-team All-American recognition. The five sacks weren’t eye-popping, but those numbers don’t show just how destructive he was on an every-down basis, as the Greek strongman posted the second-highest pressure rate in the nation when lining up against left tackles and ranked seventh in quarterback hits with 14. He backed up the on-field performance with a strong set of testing numbers, ranking as the 120th most athletic edge defender out of 1,455 that have tested for the NFL since 1987. Karlaftis has a frenetic first step, rushes with a plan, and displays exceptional hand technique to go with a relentless motor while his stout base makes him hard to move in the run game. Though he gets critiqued for lack of elite bend, Karlaftis has the power, work ethic, and talent to be a quality starter in the league for years to come.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16667423)

Except when they are giving good grades to guys like McDuffie or Creed, then it's okay to cite to them.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16667518)

LMAO

Nobody needs to cite a PFF grade to know/prove those guys are playing well.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667274)

Sam, has played less snaps and had more production with said opportunities.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16667672)

In 2017, it was obvious that Deshaun Watson was the crown jewel of that particular QB draft class.

They're ****ing rookies, dingus.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16667263)

Karlaftis has had multiple chances with Chris Jones being doubled and tripled and more whiffs and being a step behind than anything else. Stop with the homer stuff, because we are all complaining about the passrush or does Karlaftis JAG play counts as a scratch because he's a white guy lunch pale type.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16667768)

I would like to simply note for the record that I feel Karlaftis and Williams are nearly perfect complementary players and for me the issue isn't that we have the former over the latter, it's that we don't have BOTH of them.

With that I yield my remaining time.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16667768)

I would like to simply note for the record that I feel Karlaftis and Williams are nearly perfect complementary players and for me the issue isn't that we have the former over the latter, it's that we don't have BOTH of them.

With that I yield my remaining time.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16668060)

Nice job of saying, "I'd like to take this opportunity to continue bitching about the Skyy Moore pick, but I don't want to derail the thread" without saying it.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16667768)

I would like to simply note for the record that I feel Karlaftis and Williams are nearly perfect complementary players and for me the issue isn't that we have the former over the latter, it's that we don't have BOTH of them.

With that I yield my remaining time.

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 16668940)

It's amazing that there is such an argument here. I guess that some here are wanting prime Neil Smith and DT. Fact is, this team has vastly improved the pass rush over last year. They just got 6 sacks in the Donks game and are 4th in the league in sacks and already have more sacks than all last season. There were basically 2 change made on the line since last season. Signing Dunlap and drafting Karlaftis. His pressures have been a part of that improvement. I, for one, am glad to have him.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16668953)

The Chiefs have been gouged by top tier QBs because of the inability to get them. Pressures "the new hidden TDs" are great till QBs like Burrow or Allen butt****s the Defense with a great pass or run on 3rd or 4th down.

Finish the goddamn play, when you have the chance especially when the secondary is having issues with the elite WRs. Noticed how suddenly Karlaftis sacks spiked since McDuffie returned, the real praise should be Trent's shutdown CB play.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16668957)

He’s a 21 year old rookie who has played football for like 4 years. He was the 30th pick in the draft. Did you expect we were getting DT or Von Miller?

He’s been really good for his draft status.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16668961)

Sam Williams was available who's fast enough to close

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16668953)

The Chiefs have been gouged by top tier QBs because of the inability to get them. Pressures "the new hidden TDs" are great till QBs like Burrow or Allen butt****s the Defense with a great pass or run on 3rd or 4th down.

Finish the goddamn play, when you have the chance especially when the secondary is having issues with the elite WRs. Noticed how suddenly Karlaftis sacks spiked since McDuffie returned, the real praise should be Trent's shutdown CB play.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16668975)

Are you saying Karlaftis has a lot of pressures but not many sacks because he's not fast enough?

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16669030)

On the field yes, a step too late or too slow to make the tackle


He should have better production considering Chris Jones is getting double and triple teamed.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16667613)

For those that want to see his pff advanced metrics…his grades drop because he misses a lot of tackles and is still learning. You can see pockets of marked improvement mixed in and the production to match. Just needs to finish better from here on out.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16668961)

Sam Williams was available who's fast enough to close

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16669151)

Sam Williams was my favorite player in the entire draft but I’ve been more than happy with Karlaftis. He’s been the best rookie pass rusher not named Aidan Hutchinson this season.

They are both going to be really good

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16680497)

Said from day 1 - if Karlaftis is the guy we hope he could be (and who he appears to be developing into), he's the HARDEST part of complementary DEs to get.

A 3-down, fundamentally sound player who can do everything at a high level. Not a super high ceiling guy (I think Thibs, for instance, has a far higher ceiling) but a guy who simply doesn't take a single thing off the table.

And who allows you to be more targeted in our DE2. You can go find a focused pass rusher.

If a defensive line is a pitching staff, in Chris Jones you have your ace starter, in George Karlaftis you have a reliable 9th inning guy. Now you need a good swing reliever (sturdy run-stopping DT) to keep things steady and jam reliever (Speed rusher) to come get that key strikeout when you have to get out of an inning.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16680365)

he sets the edge

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karlaftis maintains leverage on the edge against Heck to stretch it out. Bolton is able to flow freely and they close down the edge for Driskell. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/JOAjCxO9dE">pic.twitter.com/JOAjCxO9dE</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1605288555269574657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16680501)

Until we stop looking solely at sacks, we're going to have "should have taken X" people. It's not all about sacks or even solo tackles. It's about causing a pass to be incomplete, keeping the runner from turning upfield, and not taking plays off.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16686449)

Now that his pressures that didn't matter are turning into sacks, is there a reason why the sacks don't matter either?