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Reaper16 07-10-2011 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Prowl (Post 7740682)
Wow... Royals pitching is Royals pitching organization wide. What an embarrassment this entire franchise is.
I bet that you won MVP of the Futures Game for the Hyperbolic League.

Al Bundy 07-10-2011 06:37 PM
I'm just so damn irritated with the Royals at this point. The last two months have made the franchise look like it is trying to lose.

chiefqueen 07-13-2011 07:54 PM
From the Royals scout board: Picks #8,12, and 16 have told the Royals they will not sign and are going back to school and # 3 may not sign.

Bubba enrolled in the second half of summer school but no indication yet if he has step foot in class. The rule used to be once the ballplayer attended classes he could not sign.

This will be the first time in several years the Royals will not be able to sign all of their top 20 picks.

CoMoChief 07-13-2011 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefqueen (Post 7747259)
From the Royals scout board: Picks #8,12, and 16 have told the Royals they will not sign and are going back to school and # 3 may not sign.

Bubba enrolled in the second half of summer school but no indication yet if he has step foot in class. The rule used to be once the ballplayer attended classes he could not sign.

This will be the first time in several years the Royals will not be able to sign all of their top 20 picks.
THATS ****IN AWESOME!!!!!

If this organization was worth a shit I'd bet that wouldn't be the case, but this organization is so bad that once players get selected, they probably come close to throwing themselves off of a cliff.

Pitt Gorilla 07-13-2011 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 7747289)
THATS ****IN AWESOME!!!!!

If this organization was worth a shit I'd bet that wouldn't be the case, but this organization is so bad that once players get selected, they probably come close to throwing themselves off of a cliff.
Did you actually read the last sentence?

milkman 07-13-2011 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 7747302)
Did you actually read the last sentence?
Let it go.

He's on a 6 year roll.

Sure-Oz 07-13-2011 10:27 PM
Well this draft is off to a great start, so do we get comp picks later?

BigMeatballDave 07-13-2011 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7747330)
Let it go.

He's on a 6 year roll.
LMAO

alnorth 07-13-2011 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7747562)
Well this draft is off to a great start, so do we get comp picks later?
no, and anything beyond round #6 I don't give even half a crap about. You dont wanna sign? Fine, if you were any good, you would have been picked earlier. Have fun in college and I hope you don't either regress or hurt yourself.

KevB 07-14-2011 12:25 AM
Have we reached the deadline yet? What, no? So you're telling me that kids are leveraging college to get a better deal from a MLB team? Weird, never heard of that tactic.

Did it occur to anyone that most of these HS kids at some point or another say they're definitively going to college as a negotiating tool?

eazyb81 07-14-2011 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 7747289)
THATS ****IN AWESOME!!!!!

If this organization was worth a shit I'd bet that wouldn't be the case, but this organization is so bad that once players get selected, they probably come close to throwing themselves off of a cliff.
Jesus you are a fucking idiot.

You do realize that the draft is 50 rounds because teams will not sign every player, right? Most teams sign about 60% of their draft picks each year.

Brickhouse, the 3rd round pick, is the one that would hurt to miss on, but we will get a comp pick next year if he doesn't sign so it's not that big of a deal.

KChiefs1 07-14-2011 11:14 AM
Just throwing this out there, but the cardinals according to Miklasz are trying to acquire Heath Bell...Colby Rasmus's name is being tossed out there among other Cardinals. Soria would bring more than Bell in a trade. I can think of a Card prospect I'd live to get in Shelby Miller. Thoughts?

Here's the Miklasz article:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...medium=twitter

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Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus overruns a two-run single by Arizona pitcher Daniel Hudson that bounced in front of him on Saturday at Busch Stadium. (Chris Lee / clee@post-dispatch.com)

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Colby, Colby, Colby.
What do the Cardinals have planned for their talented if stalled center fielder?
This is one of the more perplexing cases to confront your St. Louis Cardinals. From the day he was drafted in the first round in 2005, Colby Rasmus has been touted as the franchise's next-generation superstar. The organization has proudly displayed Rasmus as the trophy prospect that symbolizes a new, improved player-development system.
Rasmus has been a perennial blue-ribbon choice among sabermetricians that get misty-eyed by merely contemplating onbase-power capability and inevitable five-tool greatness.
Cardinals fans, meanwhile, see a puzzling, maddening 24-year-old enigma who's batting .203 with a sickly .227 onbase percentage and a ho-hum .375 slugging percentage in his last 214 plate appearances going back to May 7. Old-school fans and former Cardinals players (Andy Van Slyke) are fed up with the Raz's ambivalence in tracking deep fly balls that put him on a collision course with the outfield wall.
And then we have the two Tonys.
Tony La Russa, the headstrong manager who runs the Cardinals with a firm and controlling grip on the lineup card.
And Tony Rasmus, the equally headstrong father who runs Colby.
The father thinks he knows what's best for his son. And though the manager tries to be diplomatic, it has to make TLR's insides boil to pretend that he's fine with Tony Rasmus intervening to take over as Colby's personal batting coach and adviser.
Tony Rasmus has gone onto Internet forums to suggest that Colby has no future here. T-Raz's running commentary has set off an obvious vibe: Team Rasmus wouldn't object to a trade. Well, yeah. Colby went to team management to express a desire to be relocated last season before backing down.
So what we have here, it seems, is the classic struggle for a young player's baseball soul.
Colby is caught in the middle of these two alpha males.
I can't imagine it would be a fun place to be.
And though it's unlikely that you'll hear either Tony come out and directly say it, I'll just go ahead and assume that they probably would agree on this much: it might be best to get Colby out of St. Louis.
In addition to serving as referee, GM John Mozeliak has to decide if it makes sense to move Rasmus.
The Cardinals need pitching.
Mozeliak doesn't have a lot to trade, not unless he is willing to change his mind and part with coveted pitching prospects Shelby Miller and/or Carlos Martinez.
Let's face it: Rasmus is Mozeliak's most attractive trade chip. But it would be asinine to give Rasmus away in a fit of impatience. It would be stupid to hand Rasmus away for a summer rental — a pending free agent such as San Diego closer Heath Bell.
This is Mozeliak's problem:
Trading Rasmus is a risky proposition.
Keeping Rasmus is a risky proposition.
Even with the Rasmus slumps and inconsistency, his combined onbase-slugging percentage of .772 over the last two-plus seasons ranks ninth among major-league center fielders that have at least 1,000 plate appearances.
So it's not as if Rasmus is a washout. His salary is low. Even though Rasmus will stand to make $2 million or so when arbitration kicks in after this season, the Cardinals have him under control through 2014. And you don't give away a relatively cheap asset for a low return.
If the Cardinals trade Rasmus, they could watch his career take off, the way Van Slyke did after being dealt to Pittsburgh before the 1987 season. Some players don't peak until 26, 27 or later. You just never know. (For additional details see: Chris Perez for Mark DeRosa.)
Then again, Rasmus may never maximize his talent in St. Louis. Not with the pressure of expectations, not with so many fans down on him, not with Daddy Raz coaching him up and stirring up a fuss. We may not see the best of Colby Rasmus unless he's given the chance to re-start his career with a new team.
Ah, but if Rasmus flames out, the Cardinals will miss out on their best opportunity to cash him in. If the Cardinals wait too long — if the Rasmus performance and confidence continues to sink — his trade value will plummet accordingly.
So if there's a deal to made, Mozeliak and team chairman Bill DeWitt have to know when to strike, and how much to get in return.
Good luck with all of that.
I'm not sure the Cardinals or potential trade partners can accurately assess Rasmus' peak value to determine what he'll be over the next three seasons. And that makes it difficult to gauge equitable trade terms for him.
The Cardinals are understandably hesitant to give up on the cost-controlled Rasmus potential, and interested teams could be averse to banking on that same potential.
If you're Tampa Bay, Atlanta or Toronto are you really willing to take a leap of faith on Rasmus by giving the Cardinals a young, gifted starting pitcher with a budding staff-ace profile?
Let's discuss something more immediate, the days leading into the July 31 trade deadline. If Rasmus remains in a funk, potential trade partners will be reluctant to acquiesce to the Cardinals' wishes. But if Rasmus ramps up, the Cardinals will hesitate to give him up during a hot streak.
And I'll repeat my opinion: it would be ridiculous for the Cardinals to sell low on Rasmus now.
Even with Rasmus underachieving, the team has a nice setup, with four legitimate players to cover three outfield spots. As a group, the Cardinals lead all MLB outfields in onbase percentage, slugging, runs, RBIs and are second in homers. Why tamper with an obvious area of strength?
It would be irresponsible to wear Lance Berkman down by playing him every day. He needs regular days off to stay fresh. Sure, Allen Craig will return later this month, and he can take shifts for Berkman in right field. But if Craig is your fourth outfielder, I don't know if that provides enough insurance in the event of an injury.
And I think Jon Jay could do well as the everyday center fielder, but there's a danger of overexposure. Remember what happened to Jay when the Cardinals traded Ryan Ludwick last July 31? Jay batted .239 the rest of the way.
I believe that a big part of Jay's success is attributable to how he's being spotted into the lineup on a fairly regular basis — without being anointed as a starter and the extra pressure that goes with it. It would be a mistake for the Cardinals to leave themselves vulnerable in the outfield.
So what should they to do with Rasmus?
If a team wants him bad enough to make a sure-win deal for the Cardinals, then trade him. But if the alternative is selling low — or for a short-term gain — it makes no sense to trade Rasmus.
I think Rasmus and the Cardinals are going to be stuck with each other for a while.
Sorry, Tony ... both of you.
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OnTheWarpath15 07-14-2011 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7748192)
Just throwing this out there, but the cardinals according to Miklasz are trying to acquire Heath Bell...Colby Rasmus's name is being tossed out there among other Cardinals. Soria would bring more than Bell in a trade. I can think of a Card prospect I'd live to get in Shelby Miller. Thoughts?

Here's the Miklasz article:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...medium=twitter

LMAO

Shelby Miller is untouchable - and even if he wasn't, you'd need a ****ton more than Soria to get him.

DeezNutz 07-14-2011 11:34 AM
There shouldn't be such a thing as an "untouchable" prospect. Fans fall in love too much for their own prospects, when even the "can't miss" guys don't always live up to expectations.

At least that's what Alex Gordon once told me.

gblowfish 07-14-2011 11:37 AM
What's all this Cardinals Crap doing in a Royals thread????

We don't care what real MLB teams are up to...we only care about how bad the Royals are!

Be gone...off to the Cardinal thread..... you St. Louis guys just piss me off with your world series, and Albert Pujols, and Tony LaRussa, and being in a pennant race....GEEZ!


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