I'm talking the whole team. Mahomes and Kelce are Mahomes and Kelce, the WR room is kind of a wash at this point and has the potential to be a pleasant surprise ala the rookie CBs last season, the OL should be improved if Donovan Smith proves last year was a fluke, the DL got DEMONSTRABLY better with the addition of Omenihu/subtraction of Clark, and the back end gets another collective year of experience.

God damn it's a reasonable ****ing debate, it doesn't mean the team sucks. You can believe they'll be good the same as it can be questioned because well it's an unproven room.

LMAO You're the one who started the post with 'start praying'. That's a pretty wild opening salvo when your argument is 'the WR room is relatively unproven'.

"Start praying" isn't reasonable debate.

James is nothing more than a PR isn't reasonable debate.

James is only as good as the contract we gave him isn't reasonable debate.

Automatically assuming Rice doesn't contribute much isn't reasonable debate.

You're being a drama queen whether you want to acknowledge it or not :shrug:

No one here has said the sky is falling or that the team is taking a step backward from being contenders.

We're just discussing a WR group that will collectively be asked to be a lot bigger contributors than they've ever been on an NFL team before, and if there's anyone on the roster who could be a #1 receiver in the NFL.

If anything the dramatic behavior is coming from the people who are shocked that anyone might have questions about it.

Ok that was slightly over the top other than if you should pray for Toney to stay healthy, I'll lay it on that one.

Skyy Moore should be able to be a solid starter at this point. But again you're expecting something he hasn't shown you when you think that.

I really hope Rice doesn't get the Reid rookie WR treatment. They need to play him early on.

SO IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS GUY IS TRULY A GIGANTIC PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

That's a myth. Maclin and Jackson both got a huge amount of work as rookies. Hardman was behind Hill, Kelce, and Watkins at the very least for touches and Moore had his confidence cratered being thrown out on PR duty when he was wholly unsuited for it.

Because the Chiefs in the tenure of Andy Reid have generally not gotten big contributes out of rookie WR's. We had a questionable room last year and Skyy Moore didn't really do a whole lot.

Richie James is what he is, basically every team in the league has a guy like that, he's not gonna go out there and be a top 2 WR.

From WR 3-7 the Chiefs are pretty good lotta a depth but 1 and 2 is where the issue lays for the most part.

And one had Patrick Mahomes throwing to him and the other had Daniel Jones throwing to him.

When you have arguably the greatest offensive coach in NFL history combined with arguably the most talented QB to ever play, well you're gonna be able to cut corners and make a lot of shit work.

This isn't Alex Smith. We have an unbelievable disparity when it comes to everyone else. We're graded on a curve.

Don't believe me? Look at Josh Allen and how he's struggled to push through. Look at Joe Burrow being carried by his team having zero 4th quarter playoff TD's or TD drives.

Our risk tolerance is on a whole other level and last year was full proof of that. Mahomes is that much better than everyone else.

Andy Reid is too good of an offensive mind, and Mahomes is too good of a QB, for all the young talent in that WR room to disappoint.

I'm just not concerned even though I have no issue acknowledging that the WR room is unproven today.

Jackson mainly got to start because of injuries. They made a big deal at the time that he was the first rookie to be an opening day starter for Andy Reid, after he'd been there like 10 years.

But those guys were better prospects as well, Jackson had truly elite speed and was a plus kick returner. Maclin was a much higher level prospect and might have been a top 10 pick before he was injured at the combine IIRC.

Yip