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OnTheWarpath15 07-14-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7748219)
There shouldn't be such a thing as an "untouchable" prospect. Fans fall in love too much for their own prospects, when even the "can't miss" guys don't always live up to expectations.

At least that's what Alex Gordon once told me.

Speaking of Gordon, I've read some things that say he might be on the block.

SAUTO 07-14-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7748241)
Speaking of Gordon, I've read some things that say he might be on the block.

i was getting ready to say the same thing.


florida and arizona i have heard might be interested

KevB 07-14-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7748241)
Speaking of Gordon, I've read some things that say he might be on the block.

I might believe it if we had anyone pushing him in the minors. The guy has been our best player this year. We finally get value out of a guy the fans have been waiting on for 5 years.....and now they're looking to trade him? Ok, talked myself out of it. I don't believe that's even a remote possibility.

gblowfish 07-14-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7748251)
i was getting ready to say the same thing.


florida and arizona i have heard might be interested

Trade Alice to Florida for Leo Nunez. I've always wanted the Royals to have that guy.

Oh, wait....

BigCatDaddy 07-14-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 7748257)
I might believe it if we had anyone pushing him in the minors. The guy has been our best player this year. We finally get value out of a guy the fans have been waiting on for 5 years.....and now they're looking to trade him? Ok, talked myself out of it. I don't believe that's even a remote possibility.

Melky to left and Cain up for C is what would happen. So there is some push in the minors.

There better be some better pitching prospects coming back then O'Sullivan and Mazzaro if they make this move.

gblowfish 07-14-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 7748257)
I might believe it if we had anyone pushing him in the minors. The guy has been our best player this year. We finally get value out of a guy the fans have been waiting on for 5 years.....and now they're looking to trade him? Ok, talked myself out of it. I don't believe that's even a remote possibility.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the Kansas City Royals.

DeezNutz 07-14-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7748241)
Speaking of Gordon, I've read some things that say he might be on the block.

What type of return could Gordon possibly generate at this point? He's had a very solid year, but that's it: solid. It's not All-Star caliber and his track record is mediocre at best.

Moore is stupid, but trading Gordon for what would have to be peanuts would take idiocy to an all new level.

eazyb81 07-14-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7748261)
Melky to left and Cain up for C is what would happen. So there is some push in the minors.

There better be some better pitching prospects coming back then O'Sullivan and Mazzaro if they make this move.

Melky's bat would not play in a corner OF spot though.

It would make much more sense to dump Melky and/or Frenchy, and then promote Cain to play CF. Keep Gordon, he has finally broken out and is entering his prime years.

eazyb81 07-14-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7748286)
What type of return could Gordon possibly generate at this point? He's had a very solid year, but that's it: solid. It's not All-Star caliber and his track record is mediocre at best.

Moore is stupid, but trading Gordon for what would have to be peanuts would take idiocy to an all new level.

His half season was definitely All Star caliber. I believe he has the highest WAR of any left fielder in baseball.

OnTheWarpath15 07-14-2011 12:00 PM

Here's the ESPN Insider piece I read. I'll try to find the other one.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story...igh-candidates

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Every summer clubs make hundreds of phone calls and send thousands of text messages discussing potential deals, with each executive bargaining to get the best deal on the best possible talents. Some of those players will spend only a few contending months with the acquiring team, which means momentum is a key piece of the equation. In other words, the better the player is performing, the better the return.

There are a number of players that are currently performing at peak levels or carry quantifiable value that they may never again reach for a variety of reasons. That makes them candidates to be traded while their value sits at its zenith. Here are five of them:

Matt Kemp, CF -- Los Angeles Dodgers

Kemp has had one hiccup of a season en route to his All-Star status -- 2010 when he hit just .249, tallied 170 strikeouts and failed on 15 of his 34 attempts to steal. His other 556 career games, including the first 92 contests of 2011, have been played at a high level, but never higher than this season.

Blessed with every tool in the cabinet, Kemp has put it all together this season, entering the break batting .313 with the sixth-best on-base percentage in the National League and 43 extra-base hits, thrusting his trade value through the roof despite relatively poor reviews of his defense in center field.

The Dodgers' motivation for trading their best player starts with the 26-year-old's contract status. He's due to hit free agency after 2012 and will hit arbitration this coming winter after making $7 million this year. The Dodgers could draw interest from numerous clubs if Kemp is made available, and the haul could be plentiful. The Texas Rangers are one organization that may have the necessary young talent to land Kemp.

If the Dodgers wait, however, they risk losing the player without proper compensation after next season or getting far less in return if they deal him a year from now. And based on the Dodgers' ugly financial situation, their best course of action might be rebuilding with young, cheap talent.

Andre Ethier, RF -- Dodgers

Ethier is having another very solid season -- his fourth straight -- and like Kemp, he will be a free agent after next season and can only lose value going forward. Trading Ethier this summer gives the acquiring club a year and a half of control and the opportunity to rent the left-handed hitter for the stretch drive and flip him to another team over the winter rather than paying him upward of $10 million.

Ethier is merely adequate in right field and has experience in left, so clubs needing a corner bat would be getting just that, a bat, rather than a complete player. But he's consistent and posting career bests for batting average (.311) and on-base percentage (.383).

Alex Gordon, LF -- Kansas City Royals

Gordon was a busted No. 2 overall draft pick before breaking through this season and is on pace for career-high numbers in every positive offensive category. He'll hit arbitration for the second time over the offseason and the Royals have a chance to deal Gordon for help in other areas, such as pitching or catching, while he's performing as well as he ever has and before he gets expensive.

The Royals' timeframe for contention is nearing, and Gordon could be a part of the core of such a roster, but he's 27 years old and not many scouts are sold that he's more than passable in left field, nor trusted to continue to produce at this level. It's the first time he's hit for average and late bloomers have a tendency to have a short shelf life.


Hunter Pence, RF -- Houston Astros

Pence has already been a hot topic in the rumor mills, thanks to Houston's struggles and the new ownership. The Astros' best player is batting .323 with 11 homers and 24 doubles and plays a decent right field with a plus throwing arm that he showed off in Tuesday's All-Star Game, gunning down Toronto Blue Jays slugger Jose Bautista at the plate in the fourth inning.

Pence, 28, is enjoying a career year and by far his best since his rookie season in 2007 but isn't likely to sustain such performance. His BABIP (batting average on balls in play) is more than 60 points above his career norm, while his walk and strikeout rates are actually worse.

Pence's contract situation -- he'll be arbitration eligible for the third time after 2011 and is likely to warrant a substantial raise from the $6.9 million he's earning this season -- strongly suggests he's most valuable right now. Trading Pence this month jump-starts Houston's rebuilding task, especially considering the potential suitors, including Boston and Philadelphia.

Jair Jurrjens, RHP -- Atlanta Braves

Jurrjens has staved off the disabled list this season and has been worth 2.3 Wins Above Replacement in 16 starts. His success is almost impossible to explain, however. His stuff is solid yet unspectacular, and his league-leading ERA -- 1.87 at the break -- is more than run lower than his FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) and nearly two runs under his xFIP of 3.76. He doesn't induce a ton of ground balls -- 43.8 percent this season -- and his strikeout rate of 5.29 per nine innings pitched ranks No. 48 among qualified National League starters.

It's difficult to believe that his value can get any higher, despite the fact that scouts of rival clubs are not fooled by his smoke-and-mirrors success. Scouts need more reliable evidence that he is what the numbers say he is before they recommend their clubs pay the price to acquire him. All it takes is one, however, and there are those organizations that believe in the pitcher that simply finds a way to get the job done and is under club control through 2013.

The Braves may never be in a better position to get a bat for Jurrjens, with potential in-house replacements in the farm system and a struggling offense holding them back.

Nightfyre 07-14-2011 12:02 PM

I believe gordons turnaround is the real deal. He finally started listening to seitzer.

BigCatDaddy 07-14-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7748289)
Melky's bat would not play in a corner OF spot though.

It would make much more sense to dump Melky and/or Frenchy, and then promote Cain to play CF. Keep Gordon, he has finally broken out and is entering his prime years.

The problem with that is if you want something good in return you have to give up something good. Gordon has much more value then Melky and French right now. Besides it would just be a stop gap. We aren't winning divisions with Melky and Frenchy manning the outfield anyways.

Deberg_1990 07-14-2011 12:16 PM

Moore continuing to blow smoke on the entire rotation....ROFL


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/13...st-course.html



The Royals remain convinced their rotation can stabilize. They cite a healthy Bruce Chen, a steady Jeff Francis, an improving Danny Duffy and a possible find in power-arm Felipe Paulino.

They believe they can cure Luke Hochevar of his big-inning hiccups. They are also willing to wait a while longer to see whether Kyle Davies can produce one of his six-week bursts that annually raises hope.




Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/13...#ixzz1S6Yjk5oM

OnTheWarpath15 07-14-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7748333)
Moore continuing to blow smoke on the entire rotation....ROFL


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/13...st-course.html



The Royals remain convinced their rotation can stabilize. They cite a healthy Bruce Chen, a steady Jeff Francis, an improving Danny Duffy and a possible find in power-arm Felipe Paulino.

They believe they can cure Luke Hochevar of his big-inning hiccups. They are also willing to wait a while longer to see whether Kyle Davies can produce one of his six-week bursts that annually raises hope.




Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/13...#ixzz1S6Yjk5oM

While looking for that other article on Gordon, I read that Chen might be on the block, along with Betemit, Aviles and the Mexicutioner.

From ESPN Insider:

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Among a few others, including Wilson Betemit, Mike Aviles and possibly closer Joakim Soria, the Kansas City Royals could very well entertain offers for left-hander Bruce Chen. Chen improved to 5-2 with a 3.26 ERA with a solid outing versus the Chicago White Sox on Wednesday.

He's not a frontline arm but plenty of clubs are needing to fill holes created by injured starters or just simply need depth at the No. 4 and 5 spots. The Detroit Tigers are one of those clubs, having moved Phil Coke back to the bullpen.

Chen will be a free agent at the end of the year and is making just $2 million this season, making him prime trade bait. Perhaps the Texas Rangers will value such depth, as might the St. Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds or Milwaukee Brewers. Chen has experience working out of the bullpen, too, adding to his value down the stretch.

keg in kc 07-14-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7748301)
Gordon has much more value then Melky and French right now. Besides it would just be a stop gap. We aren't winning divisions with Melky and Frenchy manning the outfield anyways.

I think you may be underselling Francouer. Same age, Gordon has him with average, Frenchy has more homers and RBI, and he's the better, more proven outfielder. And while he's had his struggles, he's never been as bad as 2009-10 Gordon. He's done it before. Whereas Gordon's play so far is an aberration.


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