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BigCatDaddy 07-14-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7748349)
I think you may be underselling Francouer. Same age, Gordon has him with average, Frenchy has more homers and RBI, and he's the better, more proven outfielder. And while he's had his struggles, he's never been as bad as 2009-10 Gordon. He's done it before. Whereas Gordon's play so far is an aberration.

Maybe a tad, but Gordon has a much better OPS and can bat at more places in the order.

keg in kc 07-14-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7748360)
Maybe a tad, but Gordon has a much better OPS and can bat at more places in the order.

If you think a half season outweighs the balance of his major league career, which scouts may or may not.

DeezNutz 07-14-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7748291)
His half season was definitely All Star caliber. I believe he has the highest WAR of any left fielder in baseball.

He's been really good, don't get me wrong, but I believe his power numbers are a little light for a corner outfielder. Not by much, just a bit.

keg in kc 07-14-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7748371)
He's been really good, don't get me wrong, but I believe his power numbers are a little light for a corner outfielder. Not by much, just a bit.

Be kind of nice to see one of these guys (assuming they're not traded....) go on a 15-20 HR tear over the second half and get around 30.

Getting a little tired of team "leaders" with 15-20 HR for a season.

DeezNutz 07-14-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7748376)
Be kind of nice to see one of these guys (assuming they're not traded....) go on a 15-20 HR tear over the second half and get around 30.

Getting a little tired of team "leaders" with 15-20 HR for a season.

Couldn't agree more with this. As for Gordon, keep him. I think the team will be able to get by without the new O'Sullivan, whom Moore would be sure to acquire.

keg in kc 07-14-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7748419)
Couldn't agree more with this. As for Gordon, keep him. I think the team will be able to get by without the new O'Sullivan, whom Moore would be sure to acquire.

I don't think they'll get much for Gordon at this point, either, hence my whole back-and-forth about Frenchy.

gblowfish 07-14-2011 01:32 PM

Only reason they'd dump Gordon is because he's got arbitration coming, and Glass may want to avoid paying him (imagine....)
Now everybody bash me for even mildly suggesting the Royals may be cheap bastards...

eazyb81 07-14-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7748365)
If you think a half season outweighs the balance of his major league career, which scouts may or may not.

But Gordon's half season is better than anything Francouer has done for a season in his career. Gordon has a .367 OBP, and Francouer's highest season was .338 (he is on pace for his second highest season at .310).

Everyone knows what Frenchy is at this point; decent power and fielder, terrible OBP.

Gordon is showing that he has the potential to be much more than that, and he has the pedigree to back him up. This is the player he was always supposed to be.

ChiefsCountry 07-14-2011 01:40 PM

Gordon's on the block to see if somebody would be stupid enough to overpay for him.

Deberg_1990 07-14-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7748458)
Only reason they'd dump Gordon is because he's got arbitration coming, and Glass may want to avoid paying him (imagine....)

But its ok because the Minors are loaded!!

Your KC Royals, Kings of the Arizonia Cactus Leagues!

keg in kc 07-14-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7748479)
But Gordon's half season is better than anything Francouer has done for a season in his career. Gordon has a .367 OBP, and Francouer's highest season was .338 (he is on pace for his second highest season at .310).

Everyone knows what Frenchy is at this point; decent power and fielder, terrible OBP.

Gordon is showing that he has the potential to be much more than that, and he has the pedigree to back him up. This is the player he was always supposed to be.

And it's still only a half season.

eazyb81 07-14-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7748487)
And it's still only a half season.

Right, and Frenchy's been terrible for 7 years now. There's a reason we were the only team that wanted him. I'll gamble on Gordon finally turning a corner and reaching his potential versus Frenchy changing after he's been the same player his entire career.

gblowfish 07-14-2011 01:54 PM

My thing on Gordon is can he stay healthy? He's had a number of injuries over the years here. We'll see if he can play out a whole season like he has the first half. Be interesting to see if he can keep his focus when he's just playing to pad his stats.

Mr. Laz 07-14-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7748458)
Only reason they'd dump Gordon is because he's got arbitration coming, and Glass may want to avoid paying him (imagine....)
Now everybody bash me for even mildly suggesting the Royals may be cheap bastards...

they will keep Gordon IF he actually open to staying in KC

Beltran was leaving
Damon was leaving
Royals chose between Sweeney and Dye iirc
Greinke was leaving

really wasn't much choice for most of them, they wanted out. Partly because the team wasn't winning and partly because the market is small and they wanted to go to a bigger market/city.

DeezNutz 07-14-2011 02:15 PM

Damon left because ownership wouldn't agree to devote more resources to building a winner. He met with Glass, and the latter wouldn't guarantee that it would not be just Damon, according to media reports. With Beltran, the Royals were late and made no real effort to re-sign him. There are rumors of missing an extension by nominal amounts, but nothing more than this.


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