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Strongside 05-10-2013 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672821)
I didn't dumb it down.

You don't bat Mark Reynonds at #3 because he has a high slugging %.

You bat Frank Thomas at #3 because he has a high slugging % AND he gets on base.

You forgot about Jeff Francoeur.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-10-2013 08:17 AM

Some people cannot get out of the way of their own ego.

Hootie 05-10-2013 08:17 AM

Alex Gordon is the IDEAL #3 hitter.

Of course, every IDEAL #3 hitter would be a successful leadoff man...but you don't waste a guy who consistently hits doubles and even home runs at #1.

You want him hitting behind people who GET ON BASE.

I realize alnorth is going to be like 'omg a .280 OBP isn't any different than a .330 OBP'...but it is.

batting Gordon leadoff means every single game he bats at least 1 time with no one on base...

you're wasting runs having your best power hitter hit leadoff...and that is what Gordon is...he doesn't hit a ton of homeruns but he hits a metric shit ton of doubles and doubles score runners who are on base

Hootie 05-10-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 9672824)
Some people cannot get out of the way of their own ego.

what are you talking about?

I talk about slugging % all of the time

It is important.

I didn't care Hosmer was hitting .280 2 weeks ago because his slugging was like .305

that's horrid

you don't win games hitting singles

but Mark Reynolds hits .220 and slugs .500

that's who you want at #3?

CaliforniaChief 05-10-2013 08:19 AM

Gordon might be discovering his power stroke. Man, that HR last night was bad-ass. His home runs haven't been basket shots, they've been bombs.

tomahawk kid 05-10-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9672828)
Gordon might be discovering his power stroke. Man, that HR last night was bad-ass. His home runs haven't been basket shots, they've been bombs.

Thought the same thing after he crushed that ball.

Also had some "style points" after the swing, which I've never seen Gordo do before.

I don't particularly care for that in general, but it tells me he's found a power stroke (and I like actually seeing someone on the Royals with a little swag).

tomahawk kid 05-10-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9672290)
A little Country Breakfast.

<a href="http://s2.photobucket.com/user/doomy3/media/Billy.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/doomy3/Billy.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Billy.jpg"/></a>

WTF?

Where did that come from?

Hootie 05-10-2013 08:24 AM

Gordon is a guy who I'd want sacrificing average to swing for the fences. We need it. If he's the guy that can hit 30 HR's on this team, he needs to be doing it.

In 2013, you can't win without home runs. Plain and simple.

Our starters have been fantastic but it is going to even out. Jeremy Guthrie isn't going to have a sub 3.00 ERA all year long. Same with Santana.

CaliforniaChief 05-10-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672835)
Gordon is a guy who I'd want sacrificing average to swing for the fences. We need it. If he's the guy that can hit 30 HR's on this team, he needs to be doing it.

In 2013, you can't win without home runs. Plain and simple.

Our starters have been fantastic but it is going to even out. Jeremy Guthrie isn't going to have a sub 3.00 ERA all year long. Same with Santana.

Totally agree.

Ceej 05-10-2013 08:27 AM

Billy showing off the body of a 47 year old drunk.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-10-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672825)
Alex Gordon is the IDEAL #3 hitter.

Of course, every IDEAL #3 hitter would be a successful leadoff man...but you don't waste a guy who consistently hits doubles and even home runs at #1.

You want him hitting behind people who GET ON BASE.

I realize alnorth is going to be like 'omg a .280 OBP isn't any different than a .330 OBP'...but it is.

batting Gordon leadoff means every single game he bats at least 1 time with no one on base...

you're wasting runs having your best power hitter hit leadoff...and that is what Gordon is...he doesn't hit a ton of homeruns but he hits a metric shit ton of doubles and doubles score runners who are on base


I don't think Gordon is the ideal #3 hitter, But he's definitely one of the best options we have on the roster... His OBP is only .340 which isn't outstanding by any means, but has been much better the past 2 years hovering in the .370 range. His Slugging isn't ideal.. Career slg of .443... last year was only .455 which isn't bad, but you want multiple guys in your lineup hitting the .455 range. Not your #3 hitter. His SLG this season is up. However, this is due to his recent surge of power - 3 HR's in last 3 games. Before the last 3 it was .460 right around his career average, it'll level off.

As for the leadoff, we really don't have a high OBP player on the team which is why Gordon has played there... and some people are reluctant to see him move.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-10-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672827)
what are you talking about?

You called me out for basically agreeing with you, but adding to it... but whatever. I'm used to seeing your arrogance around here.

Carry on.

alnorth 05-10-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672818)
I love alnorth. Great baseball poster.

I'm never going to agree with him that Barry Bonds should have been at leadoff rather than 3 or 4.

You put your .OPS guys at 3 and 4 because they drive in your .OBP guys. Period.

Not even Billy Beane hit Miguel Tejada at #1. There is a reason for that. Perhaps the math says something else, but you don't lead off with one of your best power hitters. In regards to the Royals...with all the extra base hits Gordon gets...you can't bat him at leadoff. He has to be at #3.

I spent most of my life believing the same thing you do now. The numbers do not have a bias, and they do not lie.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-10-2013 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9672835)
Gordon is a guy who I'd want sacrificing average to swing for the fences. We need it. If he's the guy that can hit 30 HR's on this team, he needs to be doing it.

In 2013, you can't win without home runs. Plain and simple.

Our starters have been fantastic but it is going to even out. Jeremy Guthrie isn't going to have a sub 3.00 ERA all year long. Same with Santana.

Out of necessity, yes... but at the same time, when he's tried this before he's failed miserably. If he's that guy to hit 30, you're damn right... but he's never been able to do that... in his first 6 seasons he's only broken 20 one time. Optimized projection is fine and dandy, but at some point you have to look at him for what he is... a Good player, with gap power and occasional HR ability.

Maybe he breaks out, I sure hope he does.. but not expecting it by any means.

Strongside 05-10-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid (Post 9672833)
WTF?

Where did that come from?

Billy sent it to him last night. Duh.


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