Originally Posted by sedated (Post 11400999)

I thought Frankamp went to Wichita State

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 11401013)

You got it all in with QQ and the Shockers had the AA and you got run out of the building.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11401004)

Bill Self has fallen into the one and done trap, and his system doesn't work for that type of player. Calipari is able to squeeze everything out of players quickly and send them on their way. This is different than fully developing players...which is what Self does.

Self takes guys and breaks them down. He puts them in the doghouse, calls them out in the media, and gradually pulls them back into the fold. That's great for guys who stick around for 3-4 years like Releford, Withey, Robinson, and Ellis. It just doesn't work for guys who see themselves as just parking themselves on a campus for a few months until they can declare for the draft. Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

I don't get why he bothers. You aren't going to beat Calipari by getting more out of one and done kids than he is, and you sure as hell aren't going to do it with the players he didn't want.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11401004)

Bill Self has fallen into the one and done trap, and his system doesn't work for that type of player. Calipari is able to squeeze everything out of players quickly and send them on their way. This is different than fully developing players...which is what Self does.

Self takes guys and breaks them down. He puts them in the doghouse, calls them out in the media, and gradually pulls them back into the fold. That's great for guys who stick around for 3-4 years like Releford, Withey, Robinson, and Ellis. It just doesn't work for guys who see themselves as just parking themselves on a campus for a few months until they can declare for the draft. Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

I don't get why he bothers. You aren't going to beat Calipari by getting more out of one and done kids than he is, and you sure as hell aren't going to do it with the players he didn't want.

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 11401013)

You got it all in with QQ and the Shockers had the AA and you got run out of the building.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11401080)

Wiggins was just DISAPPOINTING.

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 11400966)

Kansas is Kansas and will always be Kansas. Most basketball fans would love to have a basketball program with your pedigree. And MOST fanbases would love to have a Coach like Bill Self.

Has he underachieved in the post-season with some of his teams? Sure. But he's still better than 95% of the coaches out there.


I would happily take him over the brokedick we gave control of our basketball team to.

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11401067)

This. I have had an issue with these one and dones at Kansas for awhile. I have said basically the same thing. I wish the NBA would just do away with the stupid rule that they have to go to school for a year. They should make it that they have to either a) go to college for at least 3 years or go straight to the NBA.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11401080)

Hell ...

Michael Beasley was a hell of a college player. Derrick Rose was pretty good. Durant and Carmelo were awesome. Anthony Davis was a beast.

Wiggins was just DISAPPOINTING.

Now, I'll give Wiggins the benefit of the doubt in the fact that, other than Durant, all of those aforementioned guys were already fully developed specimens. Wiggins still kind of looked like an 18 year old kid. Wiggins at 25 might be a scary, scary, scary player.

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11400987)

With Aldrich, Withey and Embiid, Self had someone down low that was an impact person...someone who could rebound and block shots on the other end and could draw fouls on the offensive end. I can't remember a KU that got their shit blocked as much as this team did. Undersized, getting pushed around on the block. Lucas and Traylor are garbage, and if Ellis isn't scoring he's a liability all together....****in pussy I've never seen a more soft player than him. Alexander is no use to this team if he can't get on the court due to elig issues. No PG depth...Graham has to get better. There were major holes on this Kansas team and it's a miracle they were able to win the conference reg season title again....a ****in' miracle.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11401004)

Every one of those players has under-performed (Selby, Wiggins, Henry, Selden, Oubre, Alexander).

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11401155)

Wiggins and Parker were two of the most timid, non-clutch one and doners I've ever seen...last March Madness both of them were EMBARRASSING to their teams. I'm sorry, it's true.